Well, the “Day Without a Woman” is upon us an life is moving along fairly normally. Well, at least for most. What is the point of all of this?

In the same spirit of love and liberation that inspired the Women’s March, we join together in making March 8th A Day Without a Woman, recognizing the enormous value that women of all backgrounds add to our socio-economic system–while receiving lower wages and experiencing greater inequities, vulnerability to discrimination, sexual harassment, and job insecurity. We recognize that trans and gender nonconforming people face heightened levels of discrimination, social oppression and political targeting. We believe in gender justice.

Organizers, which include a known terrorist, are encouraging women to do three things:

  1. Take the day off
  2. Avoid shopping
  3. Wear red

Taking the day off, sounds great, count me in! The irony is that, in order to demonstrate support and solidarity for vulnerable women, it’s vulnerable women who pick up the slack. Multiple school districts and independent schools have cancelled class today because so many employees are taking the day off. One of these districts is Prince George’s County, Maryland, which isn’t exactly known for its wealth and privilege. So to accommodate privileged government workers who can afford to skip work, working mothers have to find a way to take care of their kids, in a community in which 60% are eligible for free lunch.

Atta girl, that’ll show them!

If that wasn’t enough, some women have taken to using their Resting Bitch Face all day as a manner of protest/solidarity. It’s apparently a serious oppression that women are expected to have a pleasant and likable demeanor.

Yeah, you go girl!

You know what would really show the world women are important? Work. Work hard and produce results. Create things. Build things. Innovate. Solve. These are the things that will show the rest of the world you matter.

What I think is really going on is that, much like environmentalism, this is another means by which leftist agitators are seeking to further their agenda–destruction of traditional values, culture, and our economic system. It’s communism by a different name. I admire the naive person who supports basic ideas of equality and justice getting involved with this, but this movement is much more than that. We’ve heard of the idea of a general strike before. We know what “solidarity” and marches often mean. As environmentalism seems to be waning in the popular discourse, it seems the movement is transitioning from green on the outside to pink on the outside.

It’s still red on the inside.

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Thrill

I have to say that I would have lost respect for my wife if she had decided to participate in this. She’s a teacher. If it had come up, I would have reminded her that her duty is to her students, not her genitals.

Thankfully, I married well. She knows that it’s what you do day in and day out that matters and defines your meaning to others, not throwing in with a meaningless publicity stunt one day out of the year.

mashav

So some women are saying that they feel that they are not valued enough. Your solution is that instead of striking they should work. Are you suggesting that they haven’t been working hard enough thus far? Not innovating or building or otherwise showing the world they matter? How would continuing with business as usual produce any change? Are you envisioning a day when the GOP wakes up and says, ‘hey, women are valuable!’ and voluntarily closes the wage gap? There is precedent for this strike. The women’s strikes in Iceland and Poland got real results. And we’d all be working… Read more »

Zurvan

The gender pay gap is by and large a myth when everything is taken into account. And if it’s not, why are these people not protesting the Clinton Foundation?

For some reason I just really dislike these types of protests. This includes boycotts as well. If I want a chicken sandwich I will get one regardless of the politics of the ownership. Same here. You don’t show your importance as a woman by slacking off and reinforcing silly stereotypes (no shopping, LOL). How big a deal would it be any way? I have sick time and literally no one would miss me beyond a nice “hope you feel better soon”. THAT WILL SHOW THEM! I DO have a killer resting bitch face. I suppose that there are cases where… Read more »

Meanwhile, the rest of society-male and female-goes about its business. Feminism-it’s not for the children:

https://pjmedia.com/parenting/2017/03/07/day-without-women-participants-should-be-ashamed-especially-with-schools-closing/

mashav

“I would wager the ones who work hard aren’t the ones taking a day off for a political protest.” So the teachers you mentioned in your OP don’t work hard? You really want to go down that rabbit hole? The wage gap is not a myth. (The article Zurvan linked says “If we want to have a fruitful discussion about a gender wage gap, we should have it after the comparison is adjusted for those factors.” I would welcome such a discussion. I agree that the 77c number should be adjusted. However, nothing in that article says there no gap… Read more »

Zurvan

The wage gap is not a myth. The article I linked to does beg to differ, despite you claiming it doesn’t. It points out that there have been many studies done that prove it’s a myth. Btw, how long are you gonna keep bringing up Hillary, Zurvan? As long as it’s fun to keep poking the bear. If the defacto leader of the left (at least until last November) doesn’t truly care about any sort of pay gap, why on earth should I? Why has the US not ratified the Convention on the Elimination of Discrimination against Women? It’s just… Read more »

mashav

When men are obligated to pay half the cost of prenatal care for both the woman and the child, we can maybe talk about fairness. Lets not even start with the physical toll of pregnancy and labor on the woman’s body v. the man’s. You will have noticed that maternal leave is one of the issues women are striking about. More civilized countries have parental leave, for both the father and the mother. Guess how that sort of policy correlates with abortion rates. As things stand, your health insurance will cover Viagra but not birth control. Again, you want to… Read more »

Zurvan

You choose to get pregnant, and your employer should be forced to pay you? That’s idiotic. If you are competitive in the marketplace, then employers should offer it as a perk to keep top talent. The government has no place in this equation.

Zurvan

Lets not even start with the physical toll of pregnancy and labor on the woman’s body v. the man’s.

Because it has nothing to do with what I posted. Good plan to not even start.

Zurvan

Dagnabit, not sure how I screwed up the quote like that.

mashav

By your logic, only top talent should have kids? Not, say, a waitress or grocery store cashier…
Btw, I read your wage gap article. It only says the 77c number is a myth, not that there’s no gap. Did you read mine?
Lastly, how does poking the bear help with Thrill’s experiment in civility?

mashav

You are the one who brought up fairness in re: abortion, snowflake. I see you have no snappy comeback for my proposal that men pay for prenatal care equally.
And you don’t see how the fact that one party has to pay a major physical toll while the other does not influences the decision-making calculus.
Is this because you really don’t understand the impact or because you do and don’t care?

mashav

I think the shopping was meant to be more like small business Saturday, as opposed to ‘math is hard, let’s go shopping.’ The actual platform called for not spending any money/contributing to the economy, with the exception of minority owned businesses, if necessary.
If no one at your job would miss you, you might be one of the women zoom thinks should work harder. And, obviously, smile more.
Btw, this thing was planned before the crazy man got elected (last October.) It was an international plan, not started in the US.

Zurvan

I see you have no snappy comeback for my proposal that men pay for prenatal care equally.

That’s an easy one. If a man wants parental rights, how about they have to provide prenatal care?

As long as women have an out that men do not, the law is not applied equally. It’s the only case in this country where that happens. Women have more than equal rights, despite the rest of the obfuscation you attempted.

mashav

The law is not applied equally because of the biological reality that women carry children inside their bodies and incur the risk and physical consequences.
It’s something that men are not able to do.
It’s the exact justification as the rules preventing women from serving in combat. As soon as a man is physically able to carry a baby (like some trans men have,) he gets to decide the outcome of the pregnancy.
Read the wage gap article. It’s not obfuscation just because you disagree.

Zurvan

The law is not applied equally because of the biological reality that women carry children inside their bodies and incur the risk and physical consequences. So by that reasoning, if a man suffers from Couvade syndrome (sympathetic pregnancy) while his wife/girlfriend/whatever is pregnant, then he should get protection under the law, and some say in the pregnancy? Interesting concept. The point still stands that there is no law in this country that doesn’t equally protect women as it does men, but the converse cannot be said. Read the wage gap article. It’s not obfuscation just because you disagree. No, it’s… Read more »

Zurvan

By your logic, only top talent should have kids? That’s actually not how logic works, and has nothing to do with what I said. Btw, I read your wage gap article. It only says the 77c number is a myth, not that there’s no gap. And you said you read my article. Funny. She was talking about the pay gap myth in general (including the title of the article), and further delved into the 78 cent number because it was being touted by the White House at the time. Then further points out that the studies used to get to… Read more »

mashav

It does disprove your point. It controls for factors like skill and length is service, like your article demands, and there’s still a gap.
A man suffering from sympathetic pregnancy should get protection under the law like anyone else with a mental health issue. Unless there’s a way to keep the baby by having him carry it in his imaginary uterus.
What you are proposing is akin to letting a woman make a decision about her husband’s vasectomy.

Thrill

Maybe you guys will get a kick out of this one:

https://twitter.com/Thrill_RVS/status/839892068856123392

Zurvan

It does disprove your point.

I disagree. We can leave it at that unless you want to dig further…the bottom is wherever you want to stop digging.

What you are proposing is akin to letting a woman make a decision about her husband’s vasectomy.

Only if you’re ignorant or intentionally obtuse. If women have a way out (abortion), men would get a way out (giving up of parental rights, and thus any child support) if there was equal protection under the law.

santino

What you are proposing is akin to letting a woman make a decision about her husband’s vasectomy.

Not that there’s anything wrong with that. After our second child, my wife went sent me an email with info on vasectomies, and a couple of days later she told me I was booked for an appointment. My reaction was, I guess we’re not having any more kids. Pretty convenient actually.

mashav

So you choose to ignore facts when they don’t fit your POV. Duly noted.
But even someone like you must see the difference between the two situations you are trying to equate. In the first instance, there is no child involved. In the second instance there is a child. Child support is not about women’s rights.

Zurvan

So you choose to ignore facts when they don’t fit your POV. Duly noted.

Pot, Kettle, etc.

kevinmkr

I’ve consider vasectomy to be the unspoken rule in exchange for several decades of birth control. Seems fair.

Zurvan

I want to applaud the organizers of this event. It is such a grassroots effort…Not.

Behind the Women’s March on Washington and a Day Without a Woman is a rich man: liberal billionaire George Soros.

A report released Tuesday by the conservative Media Research Center found Mr. Soros and his Open Society Foundations contributed $246 million between 2010 and 2014 to 100 of the 544 groups listed as partners of the Women’s March.

Can you imagine if the Koch brothers did something like this?

mashav

I don’t think Zurvan meant married people when he brought this up.
I do agree with you, overall, but if the parties cannot agree, surely the tie break goes to the holder of the body in question, in both cases.

mashav

I know you are, but what am I?
Also, I am rubber, you are glue…
I need to wait until my 7 year old wakes up to ask if kids these days have any new ones.

mashav

#sarcasmfail

Zurvan

Such a fascinating website, clearly trustworthy without any risk of bias.

Zurvan

Pointing out that you ignored my facts every bit as much as I did yours is a child’s response? Interesting. Perhaps you should let the adults talk if you need to query your 7 year old on how to respond.

mashav

I was just trying to bow out with humor out what’s become a pointless debate since your arguments boil down to ‘I disagree and I refuse to address any argument that doesn’t fit my narrative, so let’s move the goalposts.’
As I’ve mentioned before, I am not interested in a YouTube comments-style discussion.

mashav

Do you really not know about it or are you being an ass?
http://www.newsweek.com/2016/10/07/charles-david-koch-donald-trump-afp-503496.html
I can get you more links, if you wish

Zurvan

As I’ve mentioned before, I am not interested in a YouTube comments-style discussion.

Then perhaps you should step up the quality of your responses.

Thrill

I don’t want anyone having any misconceptions about my commitment to free speech. At some point, I’ll get our Terms of Service finished and posted to provide some clarity, but let me explain a few things to help out for now: 1. This is not my thread to moderate. Even when it is one of my threads, I won’t generally step in unless someone is getting threatened, someone is clearly trolling, or someone tries to dox somebody else. People are going to get insulted from time to time on this blog. It’s the way of the world (wide web) and… Read more »

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