Maybe.  Bill O’Reilly’s sexual misconduct may not shock Trump, but somebody using sarin nerve gas against kids sure does.

“I now have responsibility,” Trump said Wednesday at a news conference with King Abdullah II of Jordan in the Rose Garden at the White House. “It crossed a lot of lines for me. When you kill innocent children, innocent babies — babies, little babies — with a chemical gas that is so lethal … that crosses many, many lines, beyond a red line.”

“It’s very, very possible that my attitude toward Syria and Assad has changed very much,” Trump said.

What does that mean?  Who knows.

We’re about to find out once and for all if he’s really an agent of Russia or a Republican, I guess, depending on what he does.  Meaning that he’s either going to ignore what Assad does, which Putin wants, or he will make an emotional decision to start bombing just to show up Obama one more time and make his worst critics in the Senate (McCain and Rubio) happy.

I have two thoughts on this.  The first is that this situation is not only why I would never want to be the President of the United States nor do I understand why anyone else would want to either.  Regardless of what Trump does or doesn’t do, kids are going to die.  Either we’ll kill them accidentally or Assad will kill them because he feels like it.

I’m pretty sure every single president since FDR, minimum, has had to send guys to kill other people or die trying.  I don’t understand how they cope with it, really.  Is there a Presidential Grief Counselor?  If so, that should be the highest paid federal employee.  Anyway, I wouldn’t be able to handle it.

The reason I say that is that I fully understand Trump’s outrage and urge to “do something”.  He is under a tremendous amount of pressure to act in Syria, both because of his feeling of “responsibility” and the incessant needling by that warmongering asshole John McCain.

My other thought is that one of the top five reasons I voted for Trump was that I thought he was less War Crazed of the two major candidates.  You can argue with me all you like, but Clinton was creaming her pantsuit in anticipation of dragging us into more international conflicts.  Trump convinced me that he wasn’t interested in any further needless military interventions and I’d prefer not to be proven wrong.

I’ve seen the images coming out of Syria.  Yeah, it’s awful.

But it isn’t our war.

It isn’t our fault either.  There’s nothing we stand to gain from it.  It isn’t even within our ability to resolve.  I’m not indifferent to human suffering, but I don’t support any war that doesn’t further the best interests of the United States.  There’s no way I support Trump if he moves forward with military action against the Assad regime.

With that, I leave you with this to ponder.

UPDATE: Oh.  He did the “I’m going to show Obama up” one.

Fuck.

My guess was that Trump’s hardcore supporters would be opposed to this, that it might be what finally gets them to turn against him.

You know what?  I’m not so sure it will.  I predict that we’ll see them cheerfully claiming that this proves he’s a more decisive leader than that wuss Obama.  Also, he’s clearly not a Russian stooge.  Anyone want to take bets on how we’ll see this spun in the morning?

This move benefits nobody but ISIS and al Qaeda, even if it is just a limited retaliatory strike.

Call me disgusted.  This isn’t what I voted for.

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mashav

I think he is itching to do something in Syria to prove he is tough and to show up Obama. This has nothing to do with compassion for those kids since these are the same exact kids he is refusing to let in as refugees. The difference with Clinton is that she is smarter than him and less impulsive. You could at least predict her hawkishness. She might have put boots on the ground in Syria, too, as he has, but she would not have gotten us in an actual war with Iran or North Korea, as he very well… Read more »

Zurvan

You think we’re headed for all out war with China? Cause that’s going to be ugly if/when it happens. Nuclear ugly.

mashav

My money is on Iran and or/N Korea.
I hope that we are not stupid enough to get into it with China, even as stupid as we are. I know that China doesn’t want a war with us, so we’d have to work extra hard to provoke them.

mashav

They are all wars of choice. Literally none of the nations mentioned this far are attacking us or even our treaty allies.
People in this administration are itching to get some revenge on Iran. This feels very much like the lead up to the Iraq war. My gut says that’s where we are heading.

Zurvan

I know that China doesn’t want a war with us, so we’d have to work extra hard to provoke them. How do you figure that we have to work hard to provoke them? China’s currency manipulation is all but economic warfare. And activities like this sure seems like they want or at least expect war. “Chinese intelligence has repeatedly infiltrated US national security entities and extracted information with serious consequences for US national security, including information on the plans and operations of US military forces and the designs of US weapons and weapons systems,” a draft annual report for 2016… Read more »

Zurvan

That’s possible, and scary to think about. In a conventional war, they wouldn’t stand a chance. Unfortunately the next world war won’t be conventional. How soon do you think it is likely to happen? With all of the moves I outlined below, it sure seems like they are provoking us, or at least seeing how far they can push before we push back.

Zurvan

The most likely scenario with Iran is unfortunately Israel getting involved. They are absolutely against a nuclear Iran (and I don’t blame them for that posture considering the history). I think Israel will reach a point where they feel pressured to openly attack Iran to try to prevent that, which will just escalate with other countries, and it won’t end well. The only question would be how long it takes us to get involved at that point.

mashav

None of the things you describe are worth a war with China, to me.
Especially the islands. Yes, they are building them, but who are we protecting here, Vietnam? The Philippines?

This is one of the reasons I never liked McCain as the Republican nominee. Back in ’08 he was talking about supporting Georgia against Russia like it was World War Two. Now he’s one of the hawks on Ukraine and Syria. Honestly there aren’t any good options here if we do anything.

I’d also like to add RIP Don Rickles, one of the funniest insult comics ever.

mashav

Don’t let it be said that I only post article to support my own point – http://www.reuters.com/article/us-southchinasea-philippines-idUSKBN1780NR?

Judge dredd, pro se

If trump does decide to turn interventionalist on Syria, it’s going to give credence to the theory trending right now that bannon/breitbart were the Russian link during the election. Bannon’s has been the force in the NSC that has been the most vocal about staying out of Syria, from what I can gather. Whether he’s doing it as an “America first” isolationist or Russian marionette will probably depend on what sites you trust but if anything convinces me that trump is about to have a huge change of heart on policy it’s that firing. Breitbart is already under investigation by… Read more »

Zurvan

None of the things you describe are worth a war with China, to me.

Nowhere did I claim my list is “worth a war with China”, though the cyber-security attacks against our national security come closest to being such in my mind. You said China didn’t want a war, so I provided evidence to the contrary, which demonstrates a concerted effort to push towards conflict.

mashav

That’s where we disagree. I don’t think the stuff you listed demonstrates a push towards war. As I said, I don’t believe they want war. They are asserting their dominance in the region, same as us.
Choosing to see everything as an effort to push towards conflict, without any understanding of the history or the culture of your opponent, is exactly the attitude that leads to war.
I can, maybe, see Thrill’s point about trade routes, but cyber-security? Is Germany going to attack us because we hacked Merkel’s phone?

Judge dredd, pro se

I wouldn’t dismiss it out of hand. Muslim bans 1.0 and 2.0 were both pretty much crafted by bannon’s himself, he was the keystone of the republican belly flop spectacle on health care reform, and had given himself a seat on the NSC despite many critics on both sides of the aisle saying it unfairly politicized national defense- one last bastion of our government that appears (outwardly, at least) to not succumb to partisanship. At the very least it shows the incredible amount of trust trump has bestowed upon him and his advice, set the tone for trump’s “take it… Read more »

mashav

Even if you believe this theory, it’s difficult to apply to societies like Russia and China which are very different psychologically from the Anglo-Saxon mentality that was used to construct the archetypes.
Individualism, the relationship of the individual to family/society, these cornerstones of the theory are completely opposite almost in Asian cultures.
Judging China, say, by your theory, would say that it’s been on a High for thousands of years.

Judge dredd, pro se

Bargaining with Russia probably isn’t the best move. I’m for just sitting Syria out because both solutions suck equally bad. Another secular Middle East dictator that gases his own people or another Islamic theocracy turned failed state.

How could Russia make either of those options more paletable to us?

Judge dredd, pro se

I think you know my stance on this, and we do agree that Assad is still better than another notch in the belt of a caliphate. This will happen without us lifting a finger anyway. Other than that, being nice to Russia doesn’t win us much. It’s more apt for Russia to ally with china because their projections of power are in different directions, and, well they are both communists of sorts. China wants the South China Sea and to unveil its rearry compricated pran to make Japan pay for nanking. Russia wants Eastern Europe and for everyone to shut… Read more »

Judge dredd, pro se

I don’t share the sentiment. Europe is far more valuable than Russia as a resource for innovation, and invention if only that. I think we should assert our imperial claim over them even if it was only to protect that resource. I don’t like that they’re lazy and won’t fight but it’s been their culture to just submit to domination from one superpower to another throughout their history. We can’t really expect them to man up. Obama is right about Russia. They’re nothing. A thigocracy that offers nothing to the world but a mafia type stranglehold on their oil industry.… Read more »

Judge Dredd, Pro Se

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/04/bannon-resign-mercer-trump-236939 It’s looking more and more that the ban on ouster will make the already erratic and dysfunctional trump cabinet unravel at the seams, if only at an ideological level. If this article is right, bannon’s wants to throw in the towel and kushner is lining up with democrats Cohn and Powell. I don’t know what this means for a Syrian attack or Russian diplomacy but as of right now Russia is trending #syrianhoax on twitter and trump’s nationalist base is lapping it up. So now trump is going to lose the small support base he has, further compounded by… Read more »

Going after ISIS in Syria is one thing, but going after Assad, is …just stupid. With the Russians fully backing him. madness… But then again maybe its just Trump blowing smoke. Syria is a lost cause. every side in the Civil war is worse than the other, and there is nothing to gain from a “win”. As for future conflicts. who knows China is the most likely, however there are so many variables.. If Clinton had won, i would be seriously worried about some kind of direct conflict with Russia. Sh really seemd to have a bug in her ass… Read more »

oh WTF> we attacked Syria already…..?

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And it looks like Trump has decided what he wants to do.

One good thing about this is that it might force Putin to publicly disavow Assad and let him hang. But we’ll see, as this has the potential to escalate very rapidly.

might lite a fire under Xi’s ass to sort out the Nork issue

mashav

The Russians have already started walking back their support. Earlier today they said it was ‘not unconditional’ Let’s hope this means they were at least notified before we went and bombed the joint

mashav

I can’t think of a time I’ve been less happy to win.
I want him to fail in some of his campaign promises. This was not one of them. This was my top objection to Hillary, the only thing I thought he would do better.

Zurvan

I’m glad I didn’t have to make the call. If he had done nothing in response to the chemical weapon attack, he would have been criticized as well. Just hoping he doesn’t decide to invade.

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