I’m not going to lie.  I’m very leery about posting on this story, considering the Washington Post’s history of running with unverified fake news.  So I waited a bit to see if Trump would immediately start firing off tweets.  He didn’t.

To me, that’s reason enough to discuss it.  That’s a tell of damage control mode.

So why I am I questioning the report?  There’s one aspect that seems ludicrous to me.  Somebody with a sufficiently high security clearance–the unnamed source–was apparently aware of this information, somehow learned that it was divulged, and then himself/herself divulged it to the Washington Post.  This person was so outraged about intelligence being leaked by Trump that he/she….leaked it and then had to beg the Washington Post not to publish it.

Huh?  That would be a bit like one of my kids catching me smoking in the house and setting the carpet on fire to draw attention to what I did.

Some of our readers will make this observation: “There you go again.  Defending Trump by making it all about the leakers and not the damning information that they’re providing to the public.  You asshole.”

Fine.  Let’s assume that this story is accurate.

If so, it’s Trump’s most colossal fuck-up to date.  If there was any information that he gave to Lavrov and Kislayek that wasn’t already publicly known, it may not have been illegal but it was outrageously stupid.

The nation that provided the intelligence is going to raise a shit-fit and it only worsens the perception that Trump is in the tank for the Russians at the exact moment when he shouldn’t have been feeding that perception in any way.

Do you want a special prosecutor sniffing around for the next four years, Mr. President?  Because that is how you get a special prosecutor.  For Trump’s sake, I would hope that this was an effort to bust a leaker, but I doubt it.  But I wouldn’t be surprised if we see someone get fired shortly to try to make that point.

Let’s watch how this develops and talk about it in the comments.  You might get to see me go from skeptical to credulous in real time!

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Zurvan

White House denies it. Russia denies it. At least two people in the room publicly deny it. Trump Tweets that he had “right” to share information…but doesn’t specifically say he did what the WaPo accused him of. Several media sources are using that as confirmation that he did what the WaPo accused him of. Two things: 1. The media has collectively lost it’s mind in regard to Trump. It is impossible for 90% of them to look at anything that he does rationally, and they take anonymous sources as gospel despite being burned several times already, because hey, he’s got… Read more »

mashav

Trump just tweeted to admit it.

Thrill

I’m in agreement with this whole comment at this stage.

Zurvan

No he didn’t. Saying you have the right to share information does not identify what information was shared. Several other sources, including the White House have denied what was reported in the WaPo.

mashav

He didn’t just say he had the right. He said ‘I wanted to do it’ for ‘humanitarian reasons.’
The only way to interpret ‘I wanted to do it and had every right to do it’ as anything other than an admission is if you really, really don’t want it to be true.

Zurvan

The only way to interpret ‘I wanted to do it and had every right to do it’ as anything other than an admission is if you really, really don’t want it to be true. “I wanted to do it and had every right to do it” is referencing the first part of his tweet/statement, which is what that refers to. “do it” does not necessarily equal what the WaPo accused him of. Considering the denial from the White House, Russia, and people actually in the room, the only way you can interpret that tweet to mean that he was agreeing… Read more »

santino

That would be a bit like one of my kids catching me smoking in the house and setting the carpet on fire to draw attention to what I did.

Oooh, an analogy. Does that mean you already lost the argument?

Zurvan

As President I wanted to share with Russia (at an openly scheduled W.H. meeting) which I have the absolute right to do, facts pertaining…….to terrorism and airline flight safety. Humanitarian reasons, plus I want Russia to greatly step up their fight against ISIS & terrorism. Saying that tweet is “admitting” to what the WaPo accused him of is asinine, mashav. Especially when the other denials are taken into account. Shame on the media that are reporting his admitting to it. Now if he or the WH comes out and says, yup, he did what the WaPo accused him of, I’ll… Read more »

Judge dredd, pro se

I wonder if there’s a meme of a self serving, orange, and wealthy president with transparent business ties to Russian oligarchs and luxury real estate in New York that freely gives national intelligence away to said oligarchs to protect his nest egg? Or how about one where a CIA operative’s cover is blown, or many CIA operatives and they are killed in the field because Russia only now has to back track to the source of the intelligence? It doesn’t matter, I suppose because in your myopic world trump does no wrong and everyone just has it out for him… Read more »

Judge dredd, pro se

“As president I owe Russia big time, YUGE even, for putting me in the car bird seat, so it’s obligatory I help them to serve myself even though American lives are at stake.”

FIFY

Judge dredd, pro se

Not to worry, to him those weapons of mass destruction are still out there. CNN dug them up and they’re buried under the headquarters in Los Angeles so they could hang it over bush’s head.

Rationality and self awareness be damned when his home team is compromised.

mashav

Ok, I’ll play. What does ‘do it’ refer to here, if not ‘share with the Russians some stuff about ISIS?’ Because that’s exactly what WaPo is accusing him of, sharing with the Russians some stuff about ISIS, which, if you are not an drooling moron, tells the Russian where and how we gather intelligence.
For the record, it’s totally legal for him to do it. It just proves yet again how unfit he is for this job.

Zurvan

Ok, I’ll play. What does ‘do it’ refer to here, if not ‘share with the Russians some stuff about ISIS? If you want to play, I would suggest you start by reading his entire tweet (conveniently provided for you above), and point out ‘do it’. It’s not there. So how can “do it” refer to anything when he didn’t say, “do it”? Because that’s exactly what WaPo is accusing him of, sharing with the Russians some stuff about ISIS, The WaPo accused him of sharing some very specific information that multiple sources, including the White House itself, have denied he… Read more »

mashav

Dude,you seriously don’t see the word ‘do’ in his tweet? That explain quite a bit.

Judge Dredd, Pro Se

Wow. It’s truly party before country with you. I guess this is still better than Benghazi bungling Hillary huh?

A strained relationship with Israel, possibly endangering the lives of the people who confided this information to orange julius isn’t even beyond the pale for you.

I truly understand how the Republican Party stands idle while trump tramples on this nation’s pecker as they represent you as a constituent.

Zurvan

Dude,you seriously don’t see the word ‘do’ in his tweet? That explain quite a bit. Well, that’s not even close to what you said or I was responding to, as anyone can see in the exchange above. If you’re going to attempt to be disingenuous, you should at least try harder. You claimed he admitted to what the WaPo accused him of. You then made up the term “do it” in your followup response: He didn’t just say he had the right. He said ‘I wanted to do it’ for ‘humanitarian reasons.’ The only way to interpret ‘I wanted to… Read more »

mashav

McMaster is one of the adults at the WH, so I put a little more stock in what he says. Yesterday he very specifically denied only that Trump shared “sources or methods” which is mostly interesting because the WaPo story did not say he shared those, only that they could be derived from what he did share. That’s a smart way to issue a denial without actually lying. Today McMaster said. “It is wholly appropriate for the president to share whatever information he thinks is necessary to advance the security of the American people. That’s what he did.” And “the… Read more »

Zurvan

Hey Dredd, I can’t understand you when you’re doing this –

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Zurvan

McMaster is one of the adults at the WH, so I put a little more stock in what he says.

“What I’m saying is really the premise of that (Washington Post) article was false, that in anyway the president had a conversation that was inappropriate or resulted in any kind of lapse in national security,” McMaster said.

Case closed then.

Judge Dredd, Pro Se

You should smell your upper lip because I don’t think that’s chocolate ganache fox and the fridge report are feeding you.

This seems to be a cross between Trump’s own mistakes and the media desperately looking for an impeachable moment. Somewhere in between is the truth, but I doubt you’d get it from either.

it seem that all this “intel” is something something abut the laptop bombs that i chided the adm about yesterday. From what i heard, Trump was talking about this and some non specific issues about that. The source, was pissed off about trump telling the russians. but the stories about eh laptop bombs have been circulating for a while now, and the Adm is gonna be speaking with the European security and airlines soon abut this, and their desire to expand the restriction on laptops. not exactly top secret stuff there. Russia is fighting ISIS we are fighting isis, we… Read more »

then why isnthte media prying into his loans and dealing with Russian banks. When he started running i noted that he was rumored to be in debt to russian banks…? but i havnet seen shit about that. Tehre got to be something there if he is crooked, wait, he is, if they got thier hooks in him, that would be a obvious path?

if our agents inthe field get smoked by the russians, … there no way that could be hidden, and why would they do that?
if it is isis? ,, …. if nothing happens?.

Thrill

Israel, the source of the Intel, doesn’t seem to be bent out of shape about it.

https://twitter.com/FoxBusiness/status/864549448868868096

Thrill

Very well said. So far, my doubts about this story are confirmed only insofar as I think it’s been overblown.

Judge Dredd, Pro Se

So you’re also saying you can see the emporer’s new clothes? Really?

You can’t honestly believe for a minute that Israel is doing anything more than trying their best to do damage control on our behalf right now, right?

Zurvan

This, if true, is bullshit, and I disagree with it 100%.

mashav

The issue is not the laptop thing in general, buy mentioning the specific city that the Intel came from, in particular.
If there is nothing there, why did they all scramble to warn the CIA right after leaving the meeting?

mashav

They felt differently before it was confirmed they were the source. https://mobile.twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/864546363312308226
You decide which response is the truth and which is diplomacy.

got me? but i cant see how mentioning a specific city would tip the Russians off that easily. and if this is he fuck up it pales to things Obama and Clinton did… and once again over blown.
unless there is something specific that we have not heard yet? Something that ties all this together.

and hell, the Russian intel spooks probably knew before hand any how. If this is from that raid in Yemen, then im sure they know, though channels with the Iranians .
Oh this can still be a goatfuck, but im not seeing this as big as the media ” frothing at the mouth class” is making it.

It is weird. You know what I would have done? I’d have refused to pledge loyalty to the president, requested more resources for the investigation, started getting daily briefings instead of weekly ones, and generally doubled down on the investigation into the matter at hand.

How is it not ok for Trump to share intelligence (not sources and methods) with Russia as part of an effort to gain their cooperation, but it is ok for anonymous bureaucrats to leak not only the occurrence of this disclosure, but details regarding sources and methods, in an effort to discredit and attack the President?

mashav

I have said several times by now that this is stupid, not illegal. I am not sure why you are ascribing the impeachment argument to me.

mashav

This has nothing to do with Yemen. Telling Russia that Mossad has assets in a specific Syrian city is not some that will insure better cooperation from our allies going forward.

Thrill

That, to me, is the biggest question of the day.

Zurvan

If it’s true, and Comey thought it was worthy of being potential Obstruction, then he broke the law by not reporting it – 18 USC 4.

mashav

You have McMaster on the record saying that Trump didn’t know where the Intel came from. The Israelis are saying they know it was their Intel. How invested are you in this Presidency not to see that this is no longer an anonymous source story. The WH is no longer denying it, they are just saying he had the right to share (which we all agree he had.) You and Zurvan are the only one left trying to parse the word ‘do’ to get out of admitting that you voted for an intemperate braggart.

mashav

Neither is ok and the former necessitates​ the latter. The man won’t listen to his advisers and the only way to get his attention is to leak to the media.
I am not making the argument that it’s legal. It’s no more legal than what Deep Throat did… Remember when you guys were totally fine with whistleblowers as long as they were hacking the DNC and Hillary?

Thrill

I’ve never condoned any criminal activity against Hillary, the DNC, or anyone else the way you are right now with regard to Trump.

That you can support the weaponization of the bureaucracy for political purposes is exactly why your candidate needed to lose in 2016 and why I’d vote for Trump all over again.

Zurvan

There’s a world of difference between your made up quote “do it”, and everything else you just bloviated.

And in case it isn’t clear, I think Trump is an intemperate braggart, that was never in doubt for me, so I fail to see what you think I’m trying “to get out of”.

Zurvan

The man won’t listen to his advisers and the only way to get his attention is to leak to the media.

Does leaking to the media really get his attention in a good way? That’s like making chocolate chip cookies as a gift to help someone lose weight.

You’re justifying anonymous bureaucrats leaking classified information about sources and methods of intelligence because Trump is childish and won’t listen?

Hackers from other countries are one thing–hackers gonna hack, after all. Employees of the Government of the United States of America who have been entrusted by the public to protect the nation’s secrets? That’s a whole ‘nother ball game.

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