We’re now two days removed from the mass shooting in Las Vegas that left at least 58 people dead and over 500 wounded.  Despite the fact that the killer died at the scene and we’ve heard interviews with people who know him, we still know absolutely nothing about why he did it.  It’s incredible because a crime scene photo of a dead Steve Paddock (NSFW) has somehow leaked out, but not a plausible reason or a connection that might explain why he did what he did.

In the absence of facts, the conspiracy theorists are running wild.  Of course, the Democrats with their usual eagerness to jump on the gun control agenda are helping this right along by providing a motive for the Deep State or UN or whoever to have carried out a “false flag” attack.  It’s Sandy Hook all over again.

ISIS has claimed responsibility.  They’ve also recently carried out attacks in Canada and France.  It’s obvious that they’re still active.  They’ve also never claimed a mass-casualty attack that they didn’t actually inspire, plan, or have some other involvement with.  Why is the FBI obfuscating about this?

The longer this goes on, the worse it looks for the authorities.  Even I’m starting to wonder if the conspiracy nuts are onto something.  At the moment, I’m flirting with the idea that Paddock may have been a FBI informant or had some other relationship with them.  We may be living in a strange world in which the FBI is lying to us and ISIS is telling the truth.  If you think I’m speaking like a lunatic, you might need to read up on the Garland, TX ISIS attack and see how even US Senators are wondering WTF the FBI was covering up there.

The law enforcement agencies involved in the Paddock investigation owe the public an explanation before this gets uglier.  Maybe the facts look bad, but it’s going to look worse the longer the truth is held back.

What about you guys?  Anybody else rocking the tinfoil hat?  Let’s move the Las Vegas conversation here from the open thread, please.

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the whole lack of motivation of a guy that was well off living life large, had no priors, no political or religious issues..no know training, just up stages a well planned and executed mass murder, on a country music festival, of all things…………….

yeah something rotten in Denmark.. .. now, there is this guy ,a author, scifi military friend with him on FB, he knows his shit. and he claims to know ppl that are involved in this case,and things are looking at the possibility that he had a severe mental issue in the last few months. All the Guns in the room were legally owned by him bought over the course of several years. and he also regularly shredded and deleted all his correspondences and emails.

oh boy………………………………….

They’ve also never claimed a mass-casualty attack that they didn’t actually inspire, plan, or have some other involvement with.

So I’m not an expert, but I did some googling, and came up with the Manilla attack.

More googling and came up with this

https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2017/10/heres-why-isis-claimed-the-las-vegas-shooting-and.html

Actually – a bit more googling trying to find what the FBI actually said – this might be the media being a bit too black and white. the only statement I can find is:

“We have determined to this point no connection with an international terrorist group,”

Which is basically right. The media reports it as “FBI says he has no connection”

Zurvan

According to reports, the girlfriend is back in the US, and was met by law enforcement at the airport.

I don’t know what the motive is. I was saying that the FBI didn’t seem to have ruled out an ISIS connection. Given that, jumping to vast conspiracy seems premature.

BBC is reporting that the Sherriffs office are saying that the cameras were to warn him of the police presence.

I guess we have to wait and see – the problem is that it could be any number of things…..

CMNZ

No need for motive if he was mentally ill enough and had the means. In terms of cameras I thought he had two set up to show him when cops were close, one down the hall and one through a peep hole.
I’ve also read the ISIS seem to be getting sloppy lately, have incorrectly claimed two attacks that weren’t theirs. Trying to find where I read that.

CMNZ

Ah OK, a third camera filming himself.
Certainly there is severe mental illness in the close family (his dad).

I saw a few claims that he scoped out a rap music festival prior to this one. Imagine if he had shot that up, and what the medias response to that would have been?

Planning this type of thing is really sustained. Plenty of opportunities to say “maybe this isn’t such a good idea”. I am not onboard with your ISIS hypothesis, but I think his psychosis/psychopathy is likely organic. Psychopaths are usually pretty good at hiding their illness. Wiring the money to the girlfriend is a bit off for a true psychopath unless she needed the money for something specific and he was afraid of his money getting tied up in the courts.

Agree, they are not mutually exclusive. There may yet be a motive coming (omg the video) but I am struggling with how a millionaire lives 64 years basically a-religiously and suddenly becomes a jihadist. It is a leap I am not prepared to make until it is corroborated.

We are still operating on our guts, right?

I am still fully in gut-feeling mode. Information is coming in but key pieces are still missing. Hey, if there is an “allahu akbar” on the video then I will change my mind readily as I simultaneously go check on my recently retired 65-ish year old next door neighbor. There just aren’t that many old white male jihadis. I am not dismissing so much as waiting for corroboration. Phillipino woman has not been shown in a hijab or abaya to my knowledge. In fact many photos of her are of the hot asian “I’ve still got it” variety. I would… Read more »

The brother is certainly an odd duck. The whole rambling “go get me a sandwich” thing was fucked up.

His brother just died in almost the worst case scenario, yea leave him alone.

Judge Dredd, Pro Se

The indisputable fact that this was extremely premeditated rules out any sort of insanity, temporary or otherwise. It would be hard to imagine the incredible amount of planning and resources that went into this without any motive at all, so I believe there is a motive. I also believe that the target selection was of significant importance to paddock, for a yet unknown reason. In many ways it does provide enough reason to believe that isis would at least want to be a part of this attack, and I think the most compelling evidence in their favor is that this… Read more »

Zurvan

*Firmly puts on my tinfoil hat*

What if ISIS knew about this guy from his visits to the Philippines and his girlfriend, and kidnapped his girlfriend? They then demanded he wire $100,000 to them. Then they demand he use the guns his girlfriend has told them about to perform this heinous act or they will kill the girlfriend?

*Takes off tinfoil hat*

At least that sounds about as plausible as other shooters, and black flag, or some of the other crazy theories coming out.

Zurvan

Duress would explain why the Government would be hesitant to reveal the motive. What the hell do you say, “if your wife/GF gets kidnapped, and ISIS threatens her, don’t kill a bunch of people for her sake, okay?” That brings out a whole new line of terror, similar to some movies.

Zurvan

A local paper in Vegas is reporting that they think he was trying to blow up big aviation fuel tanks that were near the concert. They say there are bullets and dents in the tanks thinking it was his target. That would have been much worse had they blown. That might explain why the videos I’ve seen show that the first round or two of fire didn’t seem to spark a lot of panic.

Zurvan

I’ve not seen anyone ask. It’s “Insensitive” to Muslims, or something.

I did see an interesting report last night – the Authorities said none of the guys cameras were actually recording. That makes me want to put my tinfoil hat back on.

Well they can’t ask Paddock and I am sure that they did ask Danley given ISIS has claimed credit. If they were Muslims it will be discovered eventually.

Judge Dredd, Pro Se

I don’t think she’s a Muslim thrill. I’m using only intuition and the knowledge of Filipino in laws, but I believe if she was Muslim it would be pretty distinct. Her origin in the phillipines would be distinctly from the southern islands, I doubt she’d have an Anglo name, and her appearance would be much darker and indicative of the complexion of the people from that region. I could be completely wrong, but even duterte has more of the eggplant complexion of a Moro and he’s an avowed Muslim hater. I think if he did convert and was radicalized it’s… Read more »

It seems he might have had an accomplice and there are a lot of other things that don’t look right about the crime scene photos. There was something going on with this guy that went way beyond gambling problems.

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