As we await whatever “the storm” is, let’s share and discuss some of the events this week that we missed while I was absorbed with spinning Las Vegas conspiracy theories.  I mean, how can I not be? There are so many unanswered questions.  Put more correctly, there are so few answers that have been given to us.  Every day that passes that we remain in the dark about basic details of the case that the investigation should have gleaned by now, such as Paddock’s motives and potential accomplices, the more my cynicism and distrust of the FBI is validated.

The suspect’s family is the damnedest that ever lived.  We’ve learned that much, at least.  The patriarch was apparently a genuis-level supervillain.  One of his sons is now among the most prolific mass murderers in American history.  Another is reportedly a fugitive drug dealer.  Then there’s poor Eric “Comped Thousand Dollar Sushi” Paddock, who is a sort of walking meme generator.  As I watch him try to come to terms with what could have led his brother to murder innocent concertgoers, I am driven to wonder: “What in the hell is he on, is it available in pill form, and do you need a prescription?”

Some of you may have seen the full video of Eric Paddock’s second interview.  It’s half an hour long but there’s never a dull moment.  If that’s too much for your attention span, here’s a good summary video below.  I’ll warn you now that if you laugh even one time, you’re a bad person.  You know what?  Don’t even watch it.   I don’t trust you to respect the seriousness of it.  I mean it.  Some of you guys are dark.  I know how you do.

Never in the history of post-crisis media interviews has there been a performance with this level of exceptional weirdness.  It’s downright magical how all of the reporters just let him run wild with almost no interruptions.  Were I a journalism professor, I’d definitely use this interview as a teaching aid.

All joking aside, he needs to get in touch with a psychiatric specialist.  He looks like he’s having a breakdown and self-medicating with something.  There has been enough grief and pain among that family and many, many others this week.

While we’re on the subject of getting comped, Ashley Judd and some other women have come forward with sexual harassment allegations against Hollywood big-shot Harvey Weinstein.  He in turn is seeking damages against the New York Times for publishing the story.  Corrupt Fake News vs Exploitative Degenerate Hollywood.  It’s almost like a Hunger Games scenario with the Westboro Church versus the Kardashians.  The joy is in watching the bedlam regardless of who prevails.

I know it’s politically incorrect to point this out but…

(waits for readers to assume crash positions)

…Trump’s “grab them by the pussy” comment on the Access Hollywood tape has been proven accurate by the Weinstein revelation.  What he said, regardless of how awful it sounded, was absolutely true.  Think about it.

“You know I’m automatically attracted to beautiful — I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait.”

And when you’re a star, they let you do it,” Trump says. “You can do anything.”

“Whatever you want,” says another voice, apparently Bush’s.

“Grab them by the pussy,” Trump says. “You can do anything.”

Weinstein, like Trump, was surrounded by beautiful starlets who were desperate to make it big in that world.  Getting used sexually by gross old men with wealth and influence and keeping it quiet about it is simply a toll to be paid for women who want to advance their careers in Hollywood. Good on these women for coming forward, I say.  It’s brave.  Even late-night comedy, which loves to tell us how courageous and edgy it is, has cowardly avoided the subject.

Hopefully, somebody will similarly name some names on Hollywood’s pedophilia problem that Corey Feldman opened the door a crack about a few years ago.  Crashing the whole rotten enterprise looks better and better all the time.

CNN has published a story on Russian Facebook ads which suggests that Putin’s trolls in Vladivostok possessed a deeper understanding of the “in-play” electoral votes in two critical swing states than the Clinton campaign did with all of its advanced data mining techniques.

Facebook has declined to release the ads, most likely because Mueller is still investigating it.

Hate groups associated with anti-Italian sentiments are planning a campaign of vandalism on Monday.  Eventually, all of the statues that anger them will be removed.  Doubtless they’ll be completely satisfied once that occurs and there will be no need for further destruction or violence.  Of course.

A man crashed into some pedestrians in London.  No link to terrorism has been reported, but he was arrested for dangerous driving.  I don’t think this one was an ISIS attack, but it does appear to me that as they are being exterminated in Iraq, they’re activating every single nutjob they can in the West.  Don’t be mislead into thinking that just because they’re almost done over there that we’re not going to keep seeing them over here.  According to the Dabiq Prophecy, they’re supposed to lose the battle for Syria to win the war.  The deaths they cause are the goal and they basically are doing it for the evulz.  Then “profit”, I think.  Or was it that the “Prophet” comes back?  I haven’t read up on it in awhile.  Either way, don’t get cocky.

It’s now no longer a felony in California for HIV-infected people to have sex with people without telling them.  Honestly, I haven’t fully examined this new law or the reason for it so I haven’t formed an opinion on it.  Anybody feel strongly as to whether it’s a bad or neutral one?  I don’t see how it’s good, but it’s hardly the worst recent idea to come out of California.

The NFL is continuing its shitshow of decline.  I don’t have much love for the players, but I’m increasingly under the opinion that the fans are worse.  When they’re not bitching about how outraged they are over the kneeling displays while still paying to attend games, they’re apparently shouting racist insults at players.  Really now, Chiefs Nation.  If you hate black people that much, go watch hockey where you don’t have to see them or make them wealthy.  Then they’ll have to get part-time jobs at Taco Bell.

The Las Vegas Massacre is an unbelievable story of horror, conspiracy, and some nihilistic dark humor (courtesy of Eric Paddock).  If that’s your bag, you might check out What the Hell Did I Just Read by David Wong.  It’s the third book in the John Dies at the End series.  I haven’t had a chance to read it yet, but I’m a huge fan of both that series and Futuristic Violence and Fancy Suits (soon to be a Netflix series) by the same author.  Check them out.

What news have you been following in between trips to Publix to purchase that $8.99 spicy tuna roll sushi you love so much, you plebeians?

98 comments

  1. Donald Trump has apparently decided that late night comics are too unfair to him. I can’t stand some of them either, but somebody needs to remind him that he’s not running for office anymore.

    In some good news for social conservatives, Trump got rid of the Obamacare mandate that required employers to provide abortion coverage for their employees.

    Is Rex Tillerson on the way out? Maybe, maybe not.

    For you science geeks: These guys won the Nobel Prize for physics. Kip Thorne in particular is well known for his wormhole theories that have influenced science fiction writers for many years. Congratulations all around.

  2. WA? Rusty Venture finally got off his dead ass and won a nobel prize! ..

    That calm before the storm thing. I think that was trump fucking with Lil Kim. he wasnt speaking to reporters he was speaking to kim, knowing that they are watching everything he says.

    As for isis, seeing them break is heartwarming, the change in strategy has helped a lot it seems.

    apparently, Paddock had a rape fetish.

    oh and there are stories going around that he visted many a mosque while in the mideast.

    SNL decides to not mention hollywood sexual nasty Harvey Weinstein.

    Tiki torch wielding nazis show up in Charlotte again, and not one got hurt.

  3. Nothing you can say will convince me that this wasn’t a staged stunt at taxpayer expense:

    I just love how Trump can’t let Pence get the super-douche credit it. I’M THE SUPER-DOUCHE, NOT YOU!

  4. I’ve got an update from the NZ Election because I know you’ve all been on the edge of your seats. It at least should reassure you that all countries politics are equally nutty.

    Special votes were counted this weekend (that’s overseas and late registrations) which meant that National Lost 2 seats and Labour and the Greens both gained one. That doesn’t really change much. For either side to form a Government, they’re going to need to form a coalition with NZ First.

    So that means that a dude called Winston Peters basically gets to choose who the next prime minister is. He’ll also probably ask to be foreign minister, and racing minister (he likes horse racing). Fun fact, in the General Election 2 weeks ago, Winston Peters lost his seat. They’re negotiating behind closed doors for the next four days, and we’ll find out whenever Peters decides to tell us. Last time this happened, Helen Clark found out live on the news at 6.

  5. On the Dove ad…

    I’m not so sure. Maybe this was a royal screw up, but Unilever do have a very specific marketing strategy. Both Dove and Axe/Lynx (both Unilever marketing) run campaigns that consistently try to ‘trigger’ people into giving their message a larger reach.

    The idea is that Axe runs a ‘sexist’ ad that gets feminists all in a tizzy, and its target demographic (not feminists) dig in and support the brand all the more. Equally Dove run squishy, we’re all equal, you’re a snowflake, love everyone type ads, and conservatives take the piss. This makes their target demographic (not conservatives) dig in and support the brand more. PETA and the NRA do the same thing.

    I know it’s politically incorrect to point this out but…
    (waits for readers to assume crash positions)
    …Trump’s “grab them by the pussy” comment on the Access Hollywood tape has been proven accurate by the Weinstein revelation

    Um….I don’t think anyone was saying that Trump was incorrect in saying that powerful men abuse their positions to force themselves sexually on innocent women? Is that what you thought the controversy was about?

    The controversy was about Trump boasting that he was one of these men (who use their powerful positions to force themselves sexually onto innocent women.)

    In fact the defence from the right was that he was only joking, that it was ‘locker room talk’ and nothing more. Of course powerful men don’t do this, all they do is joke about doing it with their buddies.

    So it’s not ‘politically incorrect’ at all, in fact it’s what us liberals have been saying all along.

    So if you now think that Trump was correct in saying that he sexually abused women – does that change your view of him at all?

  6. The Pence stunt apparently cost at least $250K (on the basis that a C32 (AF2) costs $42,936/hour, and Pence flew 2.5 hours from Vegas to Indianapolis and then back to LA). This administration sure knows how to spend money.

  7. I’m not so sure. Maybe this was a royal screw up, but Unilever do have a very specific marketing strategy. Both Dove and Axe/Lynx (both Unilever marketing) run campaigns that consistently try to ‘trigger’ people into giving their message a larger reach.

    Really? I hadn’t considered this possibility. It’s pretty amazing for edgy marketing, at least in the US. I’ve seen commercials from overseas that do this, but I genuinely thought it was just granted that this would cause an uproar in the US.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjsj_GQQ_2Y

    The controversy was about Trump boasting that he was one of these men (who use their powerful positions to force themselves sexually onto innocent women.)

    Yes, that’s the controversy. That TRUMP was doing it. Absolutely nobody in Hollywood or the media wanted to acknowledge that what he was describing is the NORM. Trump was rapidly and rightly condemned, but it seems that few in the entertainment industry want to admit that Trump’s viewpoint was a true and real depiction of how it works and that he wasn’t by any means an aberration. If they had, we wouldn’t be seeing what we’re seeing now with Weinstein.

  8. Tiki torch wielding nazis show up in Charlotte again, and not one got hurt.

    If these morons ever want to play a game called “Who’s the Fed?” and determine if there’s anyone who is trying to discredit their movement from within, they need look no further than the guy who suggested using tiki torches during rallies.

  9. Nothing you can say will convince me that this wasn’t a staged stunt at taxpayer expense:

    He could’ve just stayed in DC and said, “I ain’t trynna go to no eggball games ’til y’all quit the drama.”

    Would’ve saved everybody time and money. Continuing our discussion about what is or isn’t virtue signalling; THIS was virtue signalling.

  10. So if you now think that Trump was correct in saying that he sexually abused women – does that change your view of him at all?

    Sorry, I totally forgot to answer your question. I just came back from an Oktoberfest dinner at the in-laws. I’m well-fed and loaded with quality German beer.

    No, it doesn’t change my view. I’ve said repeatedly that he’s not a nice guy. Look:

    Link

    There’s this weird perception some people have that since I don’t constantly criticize Trump for absolutely everything that it means I’m going to defend absolutely everything he says and does. I don’t do that.

    I stand by where I’ve been on Trump since the primary. He’s a product of Hollywood. He’s not really a Republican. He lies when it suits him. This blog is replete with examples of me saying as much. What’s also true is that I think it’s extremely intelligent. I love that he takes on the media and Hollywood on their terms. I agree with most of the policy positions he takes.

    I’ve been consistent about this. Donald Trump is not a nice guy. I’ve never tried to encourage anybody to like him who is offended by what he says and does. All I ask is that he be given a fair assessment on his job performance by the same people who didn’t care about what Bill or Hillary Clinton did to young women.

  11. Yes, that’s the controversy. That TRUMP was doing it.

    Hang on – I need to unpack exactly what you are saying here.

    Are you saying that the controversy was only because it was Trump? That if it was someone else, say the head of a Hollywood studio, or a news anchor, that got publicly exposed as using their power and influence to sexually abuse women – there wouldn’t be outrage and they wouldn’t lose their job?

    Harvey gets canned:
    http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/harvey-weinstein-at-weinstein-1046874

    https://www.today.com/video/bill-o-reilly-fired-by-fox-news-amid-storm-of-sexual-harassment-allegations-925166659943

    https://www.cnbc.com/2016/07/21/fox-news-confirms-that-roger-ailes-is-leaving-company.html

    Absolutely nobody in Hollywood or the media wanted to acknowledge that what he was describing is the NORM.

    Then it’s okay?

    Here’s what the scandal was. It is all too prevalent that powerful men in many industries use their power and influence to sexually assault women. There’s a pervasive culture that allows these men to keep getting away with it. These men are assholes. Trump revealed himself to be one of these men.

    Same for Weinstein, same for O’Reilly, same for Alyes, same for Harry Knowles, same for Andy Signore.

    Trump got away with it though.

  12. Are you saying that the controversy was only because it was Trump? That if it was someone else, say the head of a Hollywood studio, or a news anchor, that got publicly exposed as using their power and influence to sexually abuse women – there wouldn’t be outrage and they wouldn’t lose their job?

    Yes, I’m saying that it was only made into a controversy (and leaked to the press in the first place) because Trump was running for president as a Republican. I’m glad that Weinstein is getting fired from his own company now, but why wasn’t any of this brought up sooner? Even now, many in the entertainment industry are refusing to discuss it.

    You’re kidding me if you think that this was ever about going after “all” of the men who do this sort of thing during the election. The same celebrities who were attacking Trump weren’t speaking out against Weinstein or the others, were they? No, they weren’t.

    I’m going to be clear. Trump should be held accountable if he sexually harassed any woman. Same as the rest.

    My ONLY point in invoking him in the post is that he was correct that what he said is characteristic of Hollywood, not JUST HIM. This was put out there a year ago by the release of the tape, and we’re only just now finding out that if you’re rich and influential in the entertainment industry, you CAN in fact grab a starfucker by the pussy and she’ll let you.

    I’m happy to see that culture being struck down. And that’s the point. It’s a whole culture. It wasn’t limited to Trump. When he said that there was an expectation that these young actresses were there for the grabbing, he was right. That’s all I’m saying.

  13. WA? Rusty Venture finally got off his dead ass and won a nobel prize! ..

    I love you for this. Nicely done.

  14. Trump should be held accountable if he sexually harassed any woman

    In what way should he be held accountable?

    I’m well-fed and loaded with quality German beer.

    What ‘s your Oktoberfest tipple?

  15. In what way should he be held accountable?

    Sued. IF criminal charges are applicable, let him be impeached, removed from office, and charged like a normal person.

    This is one of those situations in which it’s unfortunate that this blog didn’t exist during the election. I truly thought that the Access Hollywood tape would be the end of Trump. Indeed, in any other election year with any other candidate, it would have been.

    However, he was running against Hillary Clinton. The ONE Democratic candidate who could invalidate the whole “my opponent takes sexual advantage of vulnerable women” angle.

    What ‘s your Oktoberfest tipple?

    One of my brothers-in-law brought four beers and served them up as a sort of flight.

    First one was Weihenstephan Festbier. A specialty from the oldest brewery on Earth.

    Then there was some other Bavarian Spaten that I can’t remember exactly.

    Third was another Bavarian. I totally can’t remember that one either.

    Last one was the Oktoberfest from the Free State Brewery. Free State is based in Lawrence, Kansas. It’s a great local institution.

    Since we got home, I’ve been drinking bourbon mixed with Sprite. I promise to follow-up tomorrow and get the names of the two beers I can’t recall.

    Point is, I’m a happy dude at the moment. COMPED.

  16. More drunk Thrill! Although this isn’t as good as drunk wedding Thrill was.

    Were you drinking any heffeweissen or sours? Those are my faves (I may have imbibed myself)

  17. I don’t have anything of note to add to the coconversation except to agree on the John Dies series.

    I read both books when they were being published as weekly blog posts, and the printed books are on my list of books that need to be re-read every few years. I even really liked the movie, considering what they were able to achieve with a tiny budget.

    I’ve been waiting for What the Hell Did I Just Read release since I heard about it this spring, but sadly it dropped on the same day as the Monster Hunter International anthology and I had but one Audible credit left to my name.

    I listened to Fancy Suits last month and it was… ok. It was a fun take on a coming of age/fish out of water tale but I don’t know if the author really had a clear idea of what the tone of the book was going to be and the wild swings between seriousness and silliness had some jarring transitions for me.

  18. More drunk Thrill! Although this isn’t as good as drunk wedding Thrill was.

    Yeah, sangria is clearly a happy buzz with me. The festive environment brought out a fun post.

    This past Sunday’s post was something totally different. Mrs Thrill made this old family recipe called “Open House Punch” on Saturday night. It’s Southern Comfort, lemonade, and Sprite mixed in a punch bowl. We drank it all. By the time it was gone, I think I was fighting evil in another dimension.

    Clearly, SoCo is a meaner buzz than sangria. I was a bit surprised by the aggressive tone of that post when I read it the next morning. And don’t ask me what “Genocide Your Mom” means. I don’t know where I was going with that.

    Maybe I wasn’t that mean though. My neighbors asked me to help them build a firepit in their backyard that day and they wanted to do it in the evening so it would be cooler. And I agreed. So I finished up the post, got my shovel, and lurched over at about 10:30 PM to dig a fucking firepit. It came out nice.

  19. I listened to Fancy Suits last month and it was… ok. It was a fun take on a coming of age/fish out of water tale but I don’t know if the author really had a clear idea of what the tone of the book was going to be and the wild swings between seriousness and silliness had some jarring transitions for me.

    See, that’s my compliant about JDATE 1. I thought it was all over the place. I saw the movie on Netflix before I had heard of the books and I actually liked how concise it was. The book was fantastic, but maddening. I thought he really pulled it together well in JDATE 2. VERY excited to see the latest installment.

  20. Southern Comfort, lemonade, and Sprite

    My sister-in-law introduced me to the “Southern Comfort Cooler” years ago when I first married Dave. It is a summery drink and it has SoCo, orange juice and Sprite. I have never made it as a punch but I have made a large batch of SoCo and OJ in a flask and just added the Sprite as I pour drinks. It is only drinkable fizzy for some reason. I am likely going to do just that this weekend as we send off my niece to her new job in Paris this weekend.

    Sangria would likely trigger a migraine for me so I avoid it and most wines.

  21. Yeah, that mix is wonderful. I’d just caution everyone that you do NOT need very much SoCo in the punchbowl for it to be potent.

  22. I’ve actually had discussions with friends about JDATE and I pointed out that the first two books would have made much more sense if they’d have been released as a trilogy with two story arcs per book.

    I love the shit out of the series because John is basically all of my friends from school mashed together with an 8-ball of cocaine mixed in. I can overlook most of the bouncing around since the soy sauce causes them to become unstuck in timetim.e.

    I had a friend do the movie, then the book. I warned him how much was cut out and he still came back afterwards to affirm that I wasn’t kidding when I said they dropped an entire novella from shooting.

  23. I had a friend do the movie, then the book. I warned him how much was cut out and he still came back afterwards to affirm that I wasn’t kidding when I said they dropped an entire novella from shooting.

    Very true. I had totally forgotten until just now that there’s a Las Vegas massacre in the book. At the Luxor, right next door to Mandalay Bay.

    The movie is still where I would recommend people start if they want to get into the series. Not only does it have the excellent Paul Giamatti, but the movie captures the tone and the trippiness of the book very well.

  24. Mrs Thrill pulled up the “Open House Punch” recipe for your enlightenment.

    1 fifth of Southern Comfort
    3 quarts of chilled 7Up (or Sprite)
    6 oz of lemon juice
    1 6 oz can of frozen lemonade

    Mix in punch bowl, adding 7Up last. Add ice. Beware.

    I’m still trying to get a response from my BIL on the beer list.

  25. So it looks like California is burning again…Twitter has shut down a campaign video by Marsha Blackburn:
    https://apnews.com/0d8828bd7d204b40af61172628d0a7f6

    Also Happy Columbus Day. Screw the protesters, if it hadn’t been him it would have soon been somebody else, there were a lot of people looking for Western routes to Asia, and why don’t these people complain about the Vikings who were much bigger pillagers and conquerors than those who came after them?

  26. I’m officially on the LV Massacre conspiracy bandwagon. The official narrative no longer makes sense. I don’t agree with the LVMPD. This is not a “minute” change.

    http://abcnews.go.com/US/latest-las-vegas-mass-shooting/story?id=50367905

    Paddock supposedly decided to risk drawing attention to himself, six minutes before breaking the windows or opening fire on the crowd, by shooting an unarmed security officer who was just wandering by to check on an open room door in another suite? And he called it in, but nobody passed it on to the police? Bullshit. And with that, their theory about why Paddock suddenly stopped shooting has completely fallen apart.

    This makes even less sense in a case filled with things that don’t make sense. And still no possible motive has been put forward.

    It’s dirty. It’s suspicious.

    Eric Paddock is doing right:

    Eric Paddock told the Review-Journal that he plans to put his brother’s assets in a trust that would benefit the shooting victims, he told the newspaper. He has described his brother as a multimillionaire who considered himself a professional gambler and owned real estate.

    https://articles.syracuse.com/us-news/index.ssf/2017/10/stephen_paddocks_brother_meets_with_police_in_las_vegas_as_they_continue_to_seek.amp

  27. It is my opinion, that Columbus was not necessarily looking for route to India, Columbus was one of the best if not the best navigator of his time. He studied at the most prestigious school of navigation. He would have know about the Viking expeditions west, and of the Irish seafarers fishing on that general area. There have been claims that a few years prior to the voyage in 1492 he visited Iceland and possibly Greenland.

  28. WTF? the guard was shot before the shooting began? the hotel did not report tahtthe guard had been shot? ? there was no alert??

  29. WTF? the guard was shot before the shooting began? the hotel did not report tahtthe guard had been shot? ? there was no alert??

    Yep. Police only found out that he’d been shot when they bumped into him 20 minutes later.

  30. On Harvey Weinstein: he looks like the kind of potato that can only get laid under threat of rape. I’m glad this has come out. Like the Cosby situation I wish it had come out sooner. I don’t know what compelled so many people to keep this under wraps for so long, but better late than never. Now someone should extend the same courtesy to trump.

    On Paddock: a security guard was shot at a full six minutes before he started the rampage. That almost makes the whole thing even more depressing because it’s now mired in incompetence. The second man on the grassy knoll conspiracy seems to be gathering more legs to it as well. I don’t know which is worse, the government potentially holding key information from the public, further disrespecting those who died, or the cat and mouse game isis seems to be playing with the tragedy.

    On the NFL: this is the fight the yokels craved and now they have it. They didn’t want “muh flag” disrespected and wanted the removal of free speech and now it’s an entire fiasco. Our idiot president could’ve had this out of his life before he poop tweeted, and it was almost over, but he poop tweeted the coliseum and here we are.

    Mike Pence decided to throw his own tantrum and inject politics into sports, trump decided to poop tweet about it injecting politics into sports, and now there is no way to tell any of the athletes to stand down about it.

    I was ambivalent about this form of protest in the beginning. I thought it was both a bold move and maybe a flawed message, and probably a flawed messenger. Kaepernik has a point, but he’s immature and not the best champion of this cause. However, my hat his off to him for effect. With every “incompetent, but not guilty” verdict stacking up of police killing unarmed black people, coupled with our president turning it into a race war and easy points to put on the board for his stupid fan base, this is now mutually assured destruction of both the sport and trump’s legacy.

    If this does sack the nfl, the yokels that wanted “muh jingoistic porn fest” and the United States government paying the nfl a licensing fee to make the game about ‘murica are now guaranteed to lose their pastime.

    The stand for the anthem rule will be met with a mass boycott by the players and the president will get the distinction of ruining a national pastime from his twitter account.

    It may be a gimme for him. There are the stupid and crazy masses that enjoy this or just enjoy watching it all burn down but this will not end well. If the nfl does dry up and blow away because our president and his followers think black people should be seen and not heard, they’re destroying a multi-billion solar industry and scores of jobs in the process well beyond sticking it to a few rich black guys.

    Enjoy the party!

  31. I touched on some of this in the post I just published.

    For the kneeling protests, I don’t see it as an issue of wanting black people to be “seen and not heard”. I think that white people are turned off by it (and turning it off) for a couple of different reasons. I think for many, there’s a fear and frustration with the social chaos that’s been happening for the past few years.

    They don’t want it thrown in their faces when they’re just trying to enjoy a beer and a game and for them, the National Anthem and the flag represents something that used to be unifying. It’s something traditional that they can hang onto when absolutely everything else seems so unhinged.

    I’m sympathetic to this group. There’s no hatred or racism to be found in that viewpoint.

    Another group of white people is completely exasperated with black activists. They don’t have any animus for black people, but they largely think that black America’s problems are largely its own creation and complaining about racism and white cops is simply a misdirection.

    The second group will point to how BLM has no answer for black-on-black crime or that blacks are more likely than any other group to commit interracial crime. It further hurts BLM’s cause that they keep latching onto thugs like Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown and the lies surrounding the circumstances of their deaths to advance their cause.

    The third group really is just racist and likes watching big black guys give each other brain damage. But to paint EVERYBODY who is tuning out as racist is exactly how you got President Trump.

    For Trump, it’s a win. He’s put himself on the side of “America”. The protestors are losing the argument that they’re not anti-American. You can argue perceptions if you want to but ratings are still cratering. More importantly, Trump is leading the fight against social chaos.

    We’re in a bad way right now, sociologically. People who are sowing this divisiveness and deepening our partisan wounds deserve to be shamed and bankrupted for the effort. It’ll happen whether Trump pushes it or not.

    For better or for worse, Trump’s legacy will be that he decided to take the front lines in the Culture War. I can’t tell you for sure if it’ll be a good thing or a bad thing until we see how other events play out.

  32. People who are sowing this divisiveness and deepening our partisan wounds deserve to be shamed and bankrupted for the effort.

    Could you apply that logic to Trump?

  33. Could you apply that logic to Trump?

    Is he being divisive or fighting divisiveness on the subject of the NFL protests?

  34. Is he being divisive or fighting divisiveness on the subject of the NFL protests?

    His viewpoint is the very divisiveness that the players are rallying behind. What you have is a group of billionaires preserving a nest egg they’ve made for themselves taking government money, not spreading it to the players, and demanding obedience instead of reaching out to discuss what the rift is. Trump, has callously taken the viewpoint that he feels the players are objects to entertain him, and he says to dance, they by god better dance until he says not to. He cares nothing about the flag or the anthem. This is simply an easy win for him, and the owners are not threatened with losing the government as a sponsor if only those uppity blacks just shut up and do what they’re told while the billionaires reap the reward.

    It’s just an easy win for trump. A welcome distraction from the shambles of his administration, and miserable failures of his congress and senate. It’s theater to him, and all three of the yokel groups you pointed out simply don’t care about the protest. Well, the protest is now under their nose and the president’s pissing contest is just going to cause more.

    Before trump hit twitter about it, kapaernik was effectively fired from the nfl and there weren’t any players really picking up the cause. Trump made it about the anthem, and now it’s not even the protest that kapaenik was kneeling about.

    This whole situation could be resolved easily. If I were an owner I’d write into the contracts 10k for each successful standing to the anthem and flag. That’s 160k a year to simply stand for the pledge before you even get to the playoffs. Then let’s see if the water is warm enough for everyone.

    This is not about getting the players to stand for the anthem though. This is about total capitulation of these players to people like Jerry jones because they said so.

    Fuck all of the owners and fuck trump. I hope his shallow dick measuring contest is met with nothing but resistance, and instead of the heat being turned up on the players, let’s see what happens to the owners and trump when the players start sitting out of the games.

  35. Is he being divisive

    I asked @VP Pence to leave stadium if any players kneeled, disrespecting our country. I am proud of him and @SecondLady Karen

  36. Could you apply that logic to Trump?

    You beat me to the obvious. Bizarro world ain’t it. You don’t like divisiveness and chaos, so you vote for the guy that is an absolute master of both.
    It really does like a case of giving up and so wanting the watch the world burn.

  37. I asked @VP Pence to leave stadium if any players kneeled, disrespecting our country. I am proud of him and @SecondLady Karen

    If you think that standing up for America, it’s flag, and anthem is simply being “divisive”, you’ve misread the American public as badly as the NFL did.

    You have to understand that prior to Kaepernick’s stunt, American football was the only thing on television that black and white people enjoyed with equal enthusiasm. It’s a uniquely American sport and it built its audience on patriotic displays.

    His protest, picked up by others, was indulged by the NFL and the sports media. They didn’t put a stop to it for no other reason than that they sympathized with the Black Lives Matter political cause or, just as likely, were afraid of political blowback for stopping it.

    The protests are what is divisive. Calling for respect for America is NEVER divisive. So no, congratulating Pence for walking out isn’t divisive. The protests are.

  38. You don’t like divisiveness and chaos, so you vote for the guy that is an absolute master of both.

    Trump is the master of fighting back against those who spread these. As I keep saying, Trump is not a nice guy and that’s what it takes to roll back the vicious attacks on our society by the Social Justice Left. You guys really don’t understand how terrifying you are that we felt we needed a president who could push back.

  39. let’s see what happens to the owners and trump when the players start sitting out of the games.

    I’ll bet you any amount of money that never happens. Because at the end of the day, the players are just as greedy as the owners, and you failing to apply that greed to both sides and only condemning the owners for it is moronic.

  40. If you think that standing up for America, it’s flag, and anthem

    Is that what he did? Was he completely shocked upon arrival to discover that players are kneeling for the anthem?

    If you believe that then, yes, there’s no division intended in his actions.

    But if he flew all the way across he country simply to make the spectacle of leaving then, yes, that’s absolutely divisive. He’s getting you and I and CMNZ and cress to argue about it, which is the definition of a divisive action. We are divided as to his intentions.

  41. But if he flew all the way across he country simply to make the spectacle of leaving then, yes, that’s absolutely divisive.

    It’s not divisive. Defending America is NEVER divisive. You’re falling into the same trap the NFL did by allowing the protests to continue.

    The players can say whatever they want for the reason they’re doing this, but when you publicly reject the flag, you are attacking police, military servicemen, and America in general. All of those are held in high regard by the American population in general. You cannot do that if you are running a business in the United States that appeals to a broad base of consumers.

    I don’t care about their intentions or what they’re saying the kneeling is about this week. They’ve framed it so that they’re against America. Never…ever…do that if you don’t want to lose the battle of public opinion.

    Again, it’s never divisive to take America’s side. Even the civil rights protestors of the 1960’s understood this. They carried American flags. Had they not defined their movement as an American one, they would have failed as badly as the NFL is.

    It really does speak volumes that you guys think that firmly stating that America should not be disrespected is a divisive and partisan viewpoint. It isn’t. It never is.

  42. It’s not divisive. Defending America is NEVER divisive. You’re falling into the same trap the NFL did by allowing the protests to continue.

    I’m sorry, but I disagree. Let’s unpack this. Do you think he flew there fully understanding that the players were going to kneel?

  43. Do you think he flew there fully understanding that the players were going to kneel?

    It does not matter. All that matters is that the NFL and its teams are allowing the players to participate in anti-American displays while doing their job and wearing their organizations’ uniforms and that Pence condemned it.

    Trump/Pence: Love America
    NFL Players: Hate America

    There’s no winning solution for the NFL in this scenario. The only question is whether or not Goodell is going to do anything about it, but the argument is already over.

  44. It does not matter.

    It does to the half of the country that thinks you’re falling into the trap of defending his divisive actions.

    But, we’re going to spin our wheels, I guess. I’m out.

  45. It does to the half of the country that thinks you’re falling into the trap of defending his divisive actions.

    How is it a trap? I support America, don’t think that standing for the national anthem is a political statement, and agree with a super-majority of the American public who also thinks that the players should stand.

    The NFL was caught in a trap. They allowed players to insert a divisive political issue into the game and totally ignored the fans who were upset by it. Trump put them on the spot and put them in an actual trap. They could either clamp down and make the players stand, meaning Trump and America win or they can let the protests continue and watch ratings and revenue drop. Trump and America win again.

    But, we’re going to spin our wheels, I guess. I’m out.

    Before you go, can you provide me with an example of a successful protest movement in US history that ever achieved its goals by expressly demonstrating an anti-American viewpoint?

    The kneeling protests are breathtakingly stupid in conception, whether you agree with their cause and right to express their political viewpoint while performing their jobs or not. Making it about the American flag was the most idiotic possible avenue they could have taken.

  46. One more quick note: go back to that video of the BLM activist at the Trump rally. He invoked America, patriotism, and shared American values in his statement. Result: cheers.

    There is zero reason why the Black Lives Matter message has to be anti-American in any way. The players are totally to blame for this state of affairs.

  47. http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/20989433/gerald-mccoy-tampa-bay-buccaneers-uproar-players-forced-stand

    And here comes the Gideon’s trumpet of the players. As usual (and should not be surprising to anyone, ever) Zurvan got this completely wrong. The NFL released a statement today saying that they aren’t going to let Jerry Jones, the plasticized billionaire cuck, tell the NFL what their stance is. they ARE NOT enforcing a kneeling ban.

    Rest assured, as I predicted, if Trump and Pence press their bets on this politically divisive stunt, there will be no season for anyone to argue about.

    As I said in the beginning, Trump and his constituency of boomer crybabies are why we can’t have nice things.

  48. Sorry, JDPS, but that’s all wrong. The Buccaneers are making the argument that this is about the players’ constitutional rights. It isn’t. Nobody in America has the right to protest on their employer’s time while representing their employer. The NFL can fine them for dancing in the end zone, wearing unauthorized socks, and putting stickers on their helmets.

    If they want to go on strike over this and destroy the game as the MLB did, just for the sake of politics, then I’m happy to watch them go down. Let it be a warning to all other corporations that decide to politicize themselves and engage in anti-American public displays.

    That’s entirely their choice and it won’t be Trump’s fault. He’ll just point out that the players hate America so much, they’d rather insult the flag than play the game they’re paid an exorbitant amount to play. Do you honestly believe that most Americans are going to be sympathetic to the players on this when they already think the players should stand for the National Anthem in the first place?

    And you’re way off blaming the Boomers. The worst ratings drops are among Millennials and then Gen-Xers. If embracing Social Justice activism to attract a younger audience was the NFL’s master plan for boosting ratings, it’s been a catastrophic failure.

    The NFL can choose to either force the players to stand or simply change the rules and have them all stay in the locker room until the anthem is done. Either way, the reality is that the kneeling is harming the league and must end.

  49. You guys really don’t understand how terrifying you are that we felt we needed a president who could push back.

    Let me see if I understand this correctly. Conservative American grownups that love to complain about the “pussification of America” are shitting their pants in fear of people that want gays to be able to obtain gainful employment and walk around without fear of being dragged in back of an F150? We’d also like black people to be able to pump gas without some jittery cop shooting them in the back. In fact they are so scared of this that they will elect a “fucking moron” that is going to get us into nuclear war (so totally not scary) so he can defend them from some pussy liberal boogieman. How am I the scary one here? Because I want my son to have clean air to breathe throughout his life?

    Why am I supposed to understand the feels of people that are so emotionally tangled up when they won’t even try to understand me at any level whatsoever? Why do I give a fuck when they don’t even pretend to?

  50. I’m not saying that liberals aren’t scared of conservatives, pfluffy. There’s enormous distrust and fear on both sides. What I’m saying is that leftists like CM do not understand how defensive conservatives feel these days.

    We look around and see that we can get fired for expressing our political views at work (while NFL players don’t).
    We can get sued and ruined for refusing to bake a cake.
    We see left-wingers constantly calling for “punching Nazis” on one day and then calling all Trump voters “Nazis” the next.
    We see left-wing protesters rioting and burning cities.
    We see freeways blocked and people trapped in their cars and intimidated by mobs.
    We see maniacs dressed in black showing up at peaceful rallies and attacking people with baseball bats. We also see Democrats and media personalities justify their behavior and practically compare them to D-Day soldiers.
    We see violent and destructive rhetoric coming from Democrats, mainstream media outlets and entertainers.
    We see the left-wing aligned Silicon Valley tech giants censoring content that they don’t like and shutting down voices from the Right and eliminating our viewpoints from the Web.

    So yeah, we find leftists scary. They have shown that if you disagree with them, they will try to ruin your reputation by calling you a bigot, get you fired, destroy your business, demonetize your videos, take down your website and if all else fails, they’ll hit you in the head with a fucking pole.

    We don’t feel like we’re dealing with rational people and we’ve seen what happens to Republican presidents like Bush who refuse to fight back. We like that Trump calls the Left out on its neverending war against America and leads the fight from our side. Most Republicans pretend like there isn’t even a fight.

    Doesn’t mean I’m going to defend everything Trump says and does, but I do recognize that there is a violent, dangerous, and oppressive strain within the Left who needs to be challenged because they’re pushing their views into every aspect of our lives remorselessly and threatening us if we don’t toe the line. There’s only one side that is actively trying to silence opposing speech, advocating violence, and undermining the elected government and it isn’t Trump’s people.

    I’m glad Trump tweets. If it pisses anyone off, I’m sorry.

  51. Sorry – time difference meant I didn’t get to this:

    If you think that standing up for America, it’s flag, and anthem is simply being “divisive”,

    Not what I was saying.

    If we assume that the flight to and leaving of the game was a political stunt (which looks pretty obvious) then what was Trump and Pences motivation, if not to further divide?

    It’s like someone dropping a global warming comment on the other blog just to watch the thread die in the inevitable argument. It’s not about which side has the best argument, it’s about deliberately inflaming to further divide people. It’s straight out of the Breitbart/Bannon playbook.

    Again, it’s never divisive to take America’s side.

    The fact that the word ‘side’ is in this sentence disproves it. Again, I’ll go back to my point that civil disobedience only works if what you’re doing is actually disobedient. There;’s a very short list of successful protests that were conducted respectfully and in private.

  52. As usual (and should not be surprising to anyone, ever) Zurvan got this completely wrong.

    Your reading comprehension is astounding. None of your screed even comes close to addressing the greed on both sides of the argument which was my point. You, sir, remain an idiot not worth responding to. Forgive me for forgetting that lesson briefly.

  53. Sorry – time difference meant I didn’t get to this:

    No worries. I always make it a point to be patient with you and CM and ask the same in return.

    If we assume that the flight to and leaving of the game was a political stunt (which looks pretty obvious) then what was Trump and Pences motivation, if not to further divide?

    Now we’re getting somewhere. The intent was unite us, not divide us. Regardless of what we believe or who we vote for, there should be an understanding that we’re united by our nationality, our history, our shared culture. Football used to be a unifying thing, now it’s not and it’s entirely because of the same people who are also denying America.

    It’s not about which side has the best argument, it’s about deliberately inflaming to further divide people. It’s straight out of the Breitbart/Bannon playbook.

    No, it isn’t. It’s right out of the Left’s playbook. Which side is it that defines Americans into groups with various grievances to be exploited against each other like “blacks”, “women”, and “gays”? The Bannon playbook is to expose how divisive identity politics ignores the best economic and social interests of Americans and exploits it.

    What was the 2016 election if not a rejection of identity politics? Even Bill Clinton thought his wife was crazy for ignoring working class voters who generally vote Democrat in favor of aggravating social tensions.

    The fact that the word ‘side’ is in this sentence disproves it.

    No, it’s the fact that they have defined themselves as not being on America’s side that marginalizes them. It’s ludicrous that they would want to be viewed as opposed to the country. It shouldn’t be a side. I honestly cannot think of anything that amuses the Alt-Right more than blacks refusing to identify themselves as Americans. This is so ill-conceived and self-destructive that it almost, almost, is getting sad.

    Again, I’ll go back to my point that civil disobedience only works if what you’re doing is actually disobedient.

    Again, you can practice civil disobedience without being expressly anti-American. In fact, you don’t have a prayer of succeeding if you adopt that identity. The abolitionists, suffragettes, and civil rights activists all understood this and they practiced civil disobedience, broke laws, and went to jail.

    In fact, when you look at what patriotic protest movements did to achieve their goals, a bunch of spoiled millionaires kneeling in the Astroturf thinking they’re doing anything meaningful is pathetic.

    I say that they should affirm their identity as Americans to encourage unity by honoring the flag and work toward addressing whatever the hell it is they’re protesting by actually doing something other than wrecking the NFL.

  54. Let me see if I understand this correctly. Conservative American grownups that love to complain about the “pussification of America” are shitting their pants in fear of people that want gays to be able to obtain gainful employment and walk around without fear of being dragged in back of an F150? We’d also like black people to be able to pump gas without some jittery cop shooting them in the back. In fact they are so scared of this that they will elect a “fucking moron” that is going to get us into nuclear war (so totally not scary) so he can defend them from some pussy liberal boogieman. How am I the scary one here? Because I want my son to have clean air to breathe throughout his life?

    You win, pfluffy, for most hyperbole in a paragraph ever.

  55. Thrill, watch this one clip and tell me with all honesty how you think this is going to end, and where you perceive these players think the battle line is drawn?

    I’ve already told you. Either the NFL will relent and end the protests by changing its policies and enforcing it will end the protests or the protests will continue and further alienate the fans. Whatever happens is up to the players, but the market is clearly telling them that the public isn’t buying what they’re selling. It’s entirely their choice, but Trump wins either way.

    Serves them right for stupidly taking sides against America.

  56. First of all, Trump and his band of shitty diaper crybaby voters are not on the side of America, the veterans or the anthem. If you’ll recall it was actually Donald Trump on the campaign trail that told America from the pulpit that he hated a prisoner of war and lifelong patriot/veteran John McCain because he thought soldiers that got caught were losers, and his band of treasonous Russian commie voters insisted on voting for him after the fact. I don’t think I’ve ever heard or witnessed anything more disrespectful to veterans, the flag or America than saying some shit like that, and the people that voted for him beyond that unprincipled statement are even more vile and disgusting than he is because they got to choose after he said that:

    So please spare us the weepy eyed sanctimony about “for” or “against” America.

    Now, after watching that video would you please answer the question about where you perceive that player thinks the protesting is now?

  57. First of all, Trump and his band of shitty diaper crybaby voters are not on the side of America, the veterans or the anthem.

    Yes, they are. You don’t get to reject the American flag and then claim that it means anything other than you don’t respect the country. Kaepernick evenly bluntly said this was the reason when he started this.

    If you’ll recall it was actually Donald Trump on the campaign trail that told America from the pulpit that he hated a prisoner of war and lifelong patriot/veteran John McCain because he thought soldiers that got caught were losers, and his band of treasonous Russian commie voters insisted on voting for him after the fact.

    Yeah, Trump was divisive during the campaign and spoke out against a guy who was criticizing him. Political campaigns are politically divisive. Who knew?

    So please spare us the weepy eyed sanctimony about “for” or “against” America.

    That’s exactly what it’s all about. And it speaks to the idiocy of the NFL players that they’ve made it easy for Trump to own the “for” America position, which always wins. They really have nobody to blame but themselves.

    Now, after watching that video would you please answer the question about where you perceive that player thinks the protesting is now?

    I don’t understand the question. What does “where the protesting is now” mean?

  58. Let it be a warning to all other corporations that decide to politicize themselves and engage in anti-American public displays.

    The intent was unite us, not divide us. Regardless of what we believe or who we vote for, there should be an understanding that we’re united by our nationality, our history, our shared culture..

    Fascism much? You and Trump really are an excellent fit.

    Do you honestly believe that most Americans are going to be sympathetic to the players

    It seems so.
    https://today.yougov.com/news/2017/10/09/americans-disagree-trump-kneeling-football-players/

    What was the 2016 election if not a rejection of identity politics?

    WTF? Trump took identity politics to an entirely new level. He spent a considerable amount of time and effort sorting out which groups and individuals were bad or good.

  59. Yeah, Trump was divisive during the campaign and spoke out against a guy who was criticizing him. Political campaigns are politically divisive. Who knew?

    You’ve lost it completely. Your bizarre love of Trump has spun your head right around.

  60. Fascism much? You and Trump really are an excellent fit.

    See, pfluffy? See how quickly they go the “you’re a Nazi” route?

    It seems so.

    Then why are ratings falling? Besides, it’s clear that Americans do think the players should stand, according to this poll:

    According to a poll by The Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research, 52 percent of Americans disapprove of professional athletes who have protested by refusing to stand during the national anthem, compared with 31 percent who approve. At the same time, 55 percent of Americans disapprove of Trump’s call for firing players who refuse to stand, while 31 percent approve.

    I’d say we have a conflicted portion of the population who doesn’t like the protests or Trump.

    The question is which ones watch games on tv, pay for tickets, and buy merchandise?

    He spent a considerable amount of time and effort sorting out which groups and individuals were bad or good.

    He won because he appealed to voters’ economic interests in specific states that Clinton ignored. She was too busy trying to run up the score among minorities and women in states she didn’t have to win.

  61. the “for” America position, which always wins

    It’s this blind fascist patriotism that gets you into disasters like Iraq.

    Calling for respect for America is NEVER divisive.

    Fascism.

    Again, I’ll go back to my point that civil disobedience only works if what you’re doing is actually disobedient. There;’s a very short list of successful protests that were conducted respectfully and in private.

    Your point doesn’t seem to be getting through. The whole point of protest is to make people uncomfortable so they might actually think about the issue.

    Before you go, can you provide me with an example of a successful protest movement in US history that ever achieved its goals by expressly demonstrating an anti-American viewpoint?

    How is the viewpoint that something is wrong with so many black people being shot by cops ‘anti-American’? How is that ‘hating America’?

  62. Fascism.

    I’m not responding to you any further on this thread. See above where I said:

    We see left-wingers constantly calling for “punching Nazis” on one day and then calling all Trump voters “Nazis” the next.

    And…

    So yeah, we find leftists scary. They have shown that if you disagree with them, they will try to ruin your reputation by calling you a bigot, get you fired, destroy your business, demonetize your videos, take down your website and if all else fails, they’ll hit you in the head with a fucking pole.

    Thanks for proving me right about your eagerness to launch hateful and destructive smears. No further conversation is possible with you today.

  63. See how quickly they go the “you’re a Nazi” route?

    Super-weak dodge. You’re demanding patriotism. You’re explaining the amount that is appropriate and you’re assigning motives to those who don’t meet your exact requirements.
    How is that not fascism?

    Besides, it’s clear that Americans do think the players should stand, according to this poll:

    One poll. Over all polls you get the answer you’re looking for by asking the question that suits, and asking the right people.
    https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-do-americans-feel-about-the-nfl-protests-it-depends-on-how-you-ask/

    He won because he appealed to voters’ economic interests in specific states that Clinton ignored. She was too busy trying to run up the score among minorities and women in states she didn’t have to win.

    Another dodge. The point was about identity politics, not the winning strategy. He mastered it. He pitted one group against the other to an extent never seen before, based predominantly on bald-faced ridiculous lies.

  64. Now we’re getting somewhere. The intent was unite us, not divide us.

    Really…? It’s indisputable that since Trump made that speech and started tweeting about it, there have been more players kneeling, not less, and the issue has gotten more divisive, not less.

    So you’re saying the case is that he’s intending to unite, but he’s just really really bad at it?

    we’re united by our nationality, our history, our shared culture

    This answers your repeated question of ‘whatever the hell they’re protesting’. The nationality may be united, but African Americans would argue that they don’t share your culture by dint of the fact that they keep getting shot, and you don’t.

  65. So you’re saying the case is that he’s intending to unite, but he’s just really really bad at it?

    Yes, I would say that’s valid. It’s undeniable that he hasn’t built any popularity outside of his base.

    This answers your repeated question of ‘whatever the hell they’re protesting’. The nationality may be united, but African Americans would argue that they don’t share your culture by dint of the fact that they keep getting shot, and you don’t.

    Why aren’t they protesting the fact that they get shot by each other more than anyone else?

  66. I didn’t just lazily call you a ‘Nazi’. I specifically explained what I was referring to.

    No further conversation is possible with you today.

    LOL, that’s fine, you’re just dodging anyway, no reason to think you’d keep doing anything else.

  67. Thanks for proving me right about your eagerness to launch hateful and destructive smears.

    Okay, what do the grown-ups have to say?

    Brilliant.

  68. BTW, I categorically disagree with this.

    Why? Left-Wingers are defining the rules of what is or isn’t fake news and ought be suppressed on the Web. I think Trump dangling the possibility that it could work against them over false and irresponsible reporting is pretty hilarious.

    FWIW: I don’t think he’ll do it (inb4 “YOU’RE JUST DEFENDING TRUMP ALL THE TIME, YOU FASCIST”) but it’ll be fun to watch them have to explain why they should be allowed to spread false information based on anonymous sources while independent outlets should be suppressed.

  69. You win, pfluffy, for most hyperbole in a paragraph ever.

    Thanks, Zurvan. Not even close, but thanks. I will say that it was somewhat cathartic to get it out of me. You guys wear your persecution complexes like suits of armor, but you are not the only ones that feel the way you do. There is plenty of judgement the other way around and it is just as destructive.

    I did a DJ thread about how difficult it is to talk to my own brother and how it bothers me. Without too many details, a few weeks a go (before the thread) he sat on my back porch and explained to me he knew all he needed to know about me from a conversation that we had when we were in HIGH SCHOOL. He told me about the conversation, which of course I don’t even remember. He got my position on that whole fucking issue wrong and he has stood in judgement of me this whole time and probably still does. Of course my efforts to explain fell on deaf ears. Many many events look a bit different after hearing that bullshit.

    Sorry, guys but you just don’t have a lock on political nonsense hurting your feelings. You certainly don’t get to call me terrifying.

  70. I will say that it was somewhat cathartic to get it out of me.

    I’m wondering if we’re not due for another “Deadly Ground” post. Get some of our angst out.

    Sorry, guys but you just don’t have a lock on political nonsense hurting your feelings. You certainly don’t get to call me terrifying.

    I really hope you don’t think I was talking about you. I’ve never thought that you believe stupid things like people who disagree with you being Nazis who should be beaten up nor have I EVER seen you attempt to justify violence of any kind.

    Most people on the liberal side of things present fair arguments and I never doubt their love for our country or that they want what’s best. We can disagree on politics and politicians, but the destructive types I’m talking about are a different story.

    FWIW, I don’t think the NFL players really hate America. I think they’re just incoherently trying to show how they feel about an issue they think is important and can’t think of any way to do it other than copying the protest method of an idiot who does hate America was doing. It’s ignorance that’s driving this.

  71. I know that you don’t mean me in that statement but other people do. As I have pointed out, I have experienced a lifetime of it. I actually have empathy for people that feel that their preferred ways of life are under attack, but when your way of life relies on denigrating other people different than you are or beating the shit out of your kids then I am not going to agree with you. Yes, people are fighting to keep these and other jewels of “American culture” and I am not un-American if I disagree.

  72. Why?

    Because the President of the United States shouldn’t make such statements. He potentially has the power to remove said broadcast licenses. Threatening the media in such a direct manor is way past calling them ‘fake news’. Disagree with their coverage if you want. Even point out their hypocrisy and false stories. But threatening to revoke their license is too far. If Obama had done so to Fox News based on Hannity’s various rantings that were based on “alternative facts”, I don’t think you would have supported him in it. That’s the guideline I try to use with these, and Trump went too far.

    I liked a General’s response when Trump tweeted about transgenders in the military, when he said, “We don’t make policy based on tweets” when asked about it by a reporter. But that only goes so far, and this went over that line, IMO.

    Sorry, guys but you just don’t have a lock on political nonsense hurting your feelings. You certainly don’t get to call me terrifying.

    When did I call you terrifying? Your paragraph is most certainly full of hyperbole. If you can’t recognize that…well that’s the problem.

  73. beating the shit out of your kids

    Wait, what?

    Still, you’re touching on something that is worthy of being its own post.

  74. Because the President of the United States shouldn’t make such statements.

    Heh! Inappropriate statements is kind of his thing. Love it or hate it, there will never again be a presidency this wild.

    But threatening to revoke their license is too far.

    Is it really any different from Democrats threatening to reinstitute the Fairness Doctrine to silence Rush Limbaugh and the rest of conservative talk radio? Hillary Clinton would almost certainly be attempting to do this if she had won.

    If Obama had done so to Fox News based on Hannity’s various rantings that were based on “alternative facts”, I don’t think you would have supported him in it.

    You mean I didn’t support him when his White House DID do it.

    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/23/white-houses-fox-news-boy_n_331437.html

    I’m not going to lie. Trump’s war with the dishonest and corrupt mainstream media is my favorite aspect of his presidency so far. Given that they’re running overwhelmingly negative stories (5% positive) about him that are unsourced and of questionable truthfulness, why should any of us keep pretending that they deserve any respect as an independent and neutral press? They’re effectively an opposition smear coalition.

    Now, to emphasize, I don’t think he’d do it nor do I want him to do it. I just chuckle at the marvelous trolling.

    When did I call you terrifying?

    That was me.

  75. Your paragraph is most certainly full of hyperbole.

    Sure, I make use of hyperbole alongside 99% of the population (see what I did?). Thrill says liberals want to punch Nazis but I don’t think that many really do.

  76. Why aren’t they protesting the fact that they get shot by each other more than anyone else?

    This has to be the most chickenshit deflection I see floating around the Internet. Here’s the answer: YOU and white trump twitter do not get to decide what the black American community finds egregious nor do you get to decide what manner of protest is deemed acceptable in your eyes.

    The black community CLEARLY does not feel that they are getting a fair shake in our judicial system, nor do they feel that they’re getting justice when they’re shot and killed by police and subsequently not held accountable.

    Of course looking at the breadth of their grievances and then telling them which issue they should actually be focusing on, and exactly how to protest so it doesn’t offend your Sunday annebriation fest only really serves to paint the picture perfectly clear that they’re right to feel that white Americans doesn’t see them on equal footing but more as children that need to be taught.

    I asked you to watch that video of Michael Thomas and try to put yourself in his shoes to at least understand where he’s coming from and what this stare down means to him. I’m not going to assume you’re intentionally avoiding it, so let me just tell you what I THINK he’s trying to get across in his statement.

    I think he sees this issue now as something of he and his race being oppressed and not allowed to the table of politics, and if he doesn’t do anything about it he’s a coward.

    Rightly or wrongly he now sees the kneeling thing as a race issue, and a white president oppressing him.

    Great fucking job, trumpalos and trump. Way to fucking go,

    There is truth to the statement that there exists the whiniest, bitchiest, most insecure political class of cuckolds that will ever make a person cringe. These politically correct police will jump on anything perceived to offend, cry about inequality and scream Uncle in a water gun fight.

    But this political class is not blacks, gays, Mexicans, Antifa or anything of the like.

    It’s the whiny pussy ass conservatives that constantly bitch and moan over nothing, and truly, undeniably are the reason this country has to suck when it could be so great.

    Take a bow.

  77. Oh, it’s a real thing.

    Not a single one of them would get within 50 yards of a Nazi before they pissed their pants.

  78. YOU and white trump twitter do not get to decide what the black American community finds egregious nor do you get to decide what manner of protest is deemed acceptable in your eyes.

    Fine. Have it your way. I guess maybe it’s unfair to talk about black-on-black crime. We white people can sure talk about black-on-white crime though.

    I can talk about how I can’t go down to to certain entertainment districts on a Saturday evening because mobs of unattended black teenagers loiter around, fight, harass pedestrians, and occasionally fire off guns because their parents don’t give a shit what they do. You know, I can’t go to a Free Day at the local zoo for the same reason.

    I can talk all day about the time a black male fired a shotgun in my direction because he was mad that he wasn’t allowed in to a nightclub hosting an after-party for a hip hop concert.

    I can discuss the white Hispanic female employee who I used to manage who told me in confidence that she couldn’t handle being around one of our black male employees because he looked exactly like someone who raped her and she felt bad about it because she knew he was a good man.

    Then there was the time I gave a lady who lived in my apartment building a ride to one of her friend’s house to pick up her car that he’d borrowed. As soon as she walked up, he violently shoved her to the ground.

    Forget anecdotes. Let’s have a conversation about how in 2016, there were twice as many white murder victims at the hands of black perpetrators than vice versa, despite blacks only comprising 13% or so of the population. Who’s going to protest the black crime against whites?

    If it’s none of my business what blacks do to each other, then I think it should be perfectly fine to talk about the black crimes against whites that I have witnessed and the way black crime affects my life, don’t you?

    Maybe you just want to make this about cops. How many unarmed black suspects have been killed by police this year? About 10. I find that 23 police officers have been murdered with firearms this year. You want to speculate on how many of their killers were probably black?

    Fuck all this guilty preaching. Black America has a severe crime problem and it doesn’t just affect blacks. Your Michael Thomas hero gives not one fresh shit that I’d be robbed or shot on sight if I took a walk through miles of neighborhoods in my own city simply because I’m white and there’s a strong likelihood that the attacker would be black. He can suck up his tears and play his eggball and shut up.

    Black-on-black crime is not an abstraction to me. I’ve seen it firsthand. Hey, I’ve seen far more of it than black-on-white crime. I once watched a black man empty a semiauto pistol at another black man while chasing him around a car. I once inspected a fresh bullet wound in a black kid’s stomach when he got shot with a small caliber pistol at a concert and ran to me for protection. He looked about 15. I could never count how many fights and other crimes I’ve either witnessed firsthand or saw the immediate aftermath of perpetrated by blacks against blacks.

    But you and Michael Thomas? You guys don’t give a shit. Because “muh Republicans”.

    Instead of asking why blacks are so at-risk for committing violent crime and ending up in fatal encounters with police in the first place, it’s just easier and “feels” better to say, “God Damn America” and drop to a knee, I suppose.

    Sure, we need criminal justice reform and real solutions for the social problems that affect blacks. What is Michael Thomas doing about it, with all of his wealth and fame? Is he participating in any Big Brother/Big Sister programs for kids who don’t have any male role models around except drug dealers? Is he speaking at schools and helping black children learn how to read in Miami, with its astonishingly shitty 52% literacy rate? Does he volunteer his time on any crime commissions? Or does he just play football, cash checks from billionaires, and bitch about Trump all day?

    I seriously hope he is doing something more with his life than running around with a ball. Black crime affects more than just blacks and some of us feel “oppressed” by it and a lot of white people are annoyed at those who want to hamstring the police because they keep killing the black thugs who black America refuses to take any responsibility for, despite the terror those same black thugs inflict on black America.

    But yeah, the fucking US flag is the problem.

    It’s the whiny pussy ass conservatives that constantly bitch and moan over nothing, and truly, undeniably are the reason this country has to suck when it could be so great.

    Yeah, your vision sounds wonderful. Millions of Americans living in balkanized neighborhoods, terrified of crime committed by minorities, while the fat, stupid, and wealthy watch it comfortably and and engage in earnest rituals on television to express how white people need to stop being so mean.

    I’m glad Trump won. Not because I think he’ll save the country, but so I can tell my grandkids that we tried to put someone in the White House at a late hour who fought back against the divisive assholes who used all the power of the media, academia, and government bureaucracy to tear the country apart along every demographic and social fault line it could and he drove them completely nuts. It will have been worth the show, whatever else happens.

  79. Thrill – just reading what you wrote – I don’t think that you are claiming a causal link between blackness and crime? Because that’s sounding a lot like it….

    What the protest is drawing attention to, is the fact that because people have had experiences of people who happen to be black doing crimes, they assume guilt on all black people – simply because they have the same physical characteristics as a criminals they have seen. And this is leading to real world implications for innocent, law abiding Americans who happen to have black skin. In the land of opportunity, where all men were created equal – they claim that it is ‘un American’ for this situation to continue.

    Instead of asking why blacks are so at-risk for committing violent crime and ending up in fatal encounters with police in the first place, it’s just easier and “feels” better to say, “God Damn America” and drop to a knee, I suppose.

    They are – the knee protest is about awareness raising – but those are separate things by the way.

  80. Thrill – just reading what you wrote – I don’t think that you are claiming a causal link between blackness and crime? Because that’s sounding a lot like it….

    No, there is no link between race and crime. I was attacking JDPS’s bizarre claim that in post-America, one tribe isn’t allowed to discuss another tribe’s problems. So I was demonstrating how that tribe’s problems affect my tribe. Because that’s how we are Multicultural World. Just everybody distrusting each other and pretending that one particular tribe is always responsible for another tribe’s problems.

    The issue is cultural. Black America (as a cultural force, not to be read as “all black people”) a specific demographic that frequently makes horrible individual and collective choices AND suffers from a lot of historical baggage that American history has dumped on it.

    Everyone is created equal, but people will still take their opportunities and flush them away by having children as teenagers and out of wedlock, failing to complete high school, not learning to read, and engaging in juvenile crime. Black Americans do all of those things at a higher rate than other demographics.

    Can I, with the Power of Awareness, convince a black father to marry his girlfriend and stay and raise his son to ensure that he isn’t at risk of crime or poverty? Is there anything I’m supposed to be doing to make sure that black children read good and can math so they can compete in the job market? Can I take down the gangs?

    Now just apply those questions to All White People and you see why I’m frustrated. No, we can’t solve these problems for the black community. But those are the problems plaguing black America that are probably leading to a lot of negative encounters with police that get young black men killed. They have to fix it themselves. Hating America and getting a few cops fired will do absolutely nothing.

    Seriously. TEN unarmed blacks were shot by police so far in 2017. Assume that ALL of the cops were bad and the victims were totally innocent. Result is that you fire TEN cops. How does this improve the lot of black people in any way when almost 60 blacks are killed by other blacks in the month of September in Chicago?

    They are – the knee protest is about awareness raising

    They have made me aware that they have no idea what the problem is and want the wrong solution.

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