I’m sure all corners of the galaxy and our ships at sea have heard about this one by now.

I’m once again left to wonder if Donald Trump is among our readers.

That’s not to say I completely agree with Trump’s response on policy grounds, except for the end of whatever this “lottery” immigration from Third World shitholes is, as well as chain immigration.  That’s all great.

I don’t disagree with Trump’s sentiment at all, as the excerpt shows.  But it’s a diplomatic gaffe when it goes public that he said it.  Trump needs to apologize to the shitholes he offended.  Maybe he could throw another billion dollars in aid at them.

The funny thing is that whoever leaked this accidentally did Trump a favor.  His base was convinced that he was about to sell them out on the Dreamers in a bad deal with the Senate.  The question he reportedly asked, “Why are we so obsessed with bringing in people from shitholes?” is the primary one they’re obsessed with and they love that he asked it out loud.

I find no fault.

Light posting on my part this week on account of illness (just so you know that I am being karmacally punished for my wickedness).  Seems to be the same flu/cold/whatever that’s been laying waste all over the country.  Since I barely leave the house on a normal day, I don’t have the luxury of blaming people from Third World shitholes.

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I dunno…maybe Trump just got so full of sh*t some of it started coming out of his mouth?

But yes these are crappy countries run by crappy governments for the most part. That doesn’t necessarily mean that the people themselves are crappy, however. Many of them are more hard-working than a lot of crappy Americans, and they have to live in crappy neighborhoods when they come here.

Eh, there’s enough manure here for everyone. And everyone knows the media re full of sh*t anyway.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYPziRyCTuw

Zurvan

Definitely not the most tactful thing to do, but at this point, do we really expect tact from this President?

It’s kinda like…everyone knows the countries in question are in fact shitholes, just don’t call them shitholes in public or you might offend someone. An extension of the snowflake reasoning. Someone not calling a spade a spade is better because…reasons.

CMNZ

Shithole President.
I love how people went batshit about Obama offending the world over banal mindless trivial shit,……and then you turn right around and deliver us all THIS guy. And THEN you defend him. It sure is endlessly entertaining. I guess the alternative is deep shame and embarrassment, but that’s for girls and liberals! 😉

When you or I say “shithole” nothing of note happens. Trump saying shithole is on another level entirely.

But yes these are crappy countries run by crappy governments for the most part. That doesn’t necessarily mean that the people themselves are crappy, however.

Bingo.

Zurvan

For what it’s worth, he’s denied he said it.

brownbag

I know this has CM almost as giddy as a school shooting to exploit, but there is nothing wrong with merit based immigration among other things to secure our republic. The fact that he said it behind closed doors where it was then immediately leaked tells me the “other” side isn’t negotiating in good faith – hell, I don’t think they even really care about these people (and I agree that even though their governments suck, the vast, vast majority are trying for a better life which is what I’d be doing as well). They use these words not to… Read more »

CMNZ

A school shooting to exploit? Wtf?
Newsflash: just because someone is from a poor country it doesn’t mean they’re a shit person. Yes, they are not likely to be as white as someone from, I dunno, I’ll randomly pick Norway.
That he’s now trying to deny it even though there are multiple witnesses just reinforces what a lying scumbag the guy is.
Dress up defending as ‘agreeing’ as much as you like. It is what it is. You’re totally on board with this guy because he’s, somehow, a means to an end.

CMNZ

The POTUS calling countries shitholes is news, righties would be having absolute shit fits if Obama had said anything remotely similar. But this is the new ‘normal’, I get it, he’s your guy, so it’s disingenuous all the way. To claim that daring to report it makes them some kind of political opposition is the same banana republic bullshit Trump propagates, so you’re really just a useful idiot on that regard. You’re the one avoiding the issue – just because someone is from a poor country it doesn’t mean they’re a shit person. In fact often when a person comes… Read more »

Zurvan

Newsflash: just because someone is from a poor country it doesn’t mean they’re a shit person.

Newsflash: Just because someone calls a country a shithole, doesn’t mean he thinks everyone in that country is a “shit person”. But then, you would know that if your TDS wasn’t at epidemic levels.

To be eligible for the green card lottery you need at least a high school education or 2 years of work experience in something that needs at least two years of training. Fun Fact – my boss just won the green card lottery a couple of weeks ago. Just because someone calls a country a shithole, doesn’t mean he thinks everyone in that country is a “shit person” Cool. I’m keen to hear the non racist reason that Trump would rather accept people from Norway than from Haiti or Africa. I dunno, maybe it’s because he thinks that Norweigians have… Read more »

Judge Dredd, Pro Se

The most hilarious part of trump pondering out loud about why we don’t get immigrants from Norway instead of shithole countries is the reason why. We don’t get anyone from those countries because they’re very well educated (for free, or almost free), believe in their social democracies, aren’t opposed to paying taxes for a better nation, and the kicker….. Because of these policies they have generally better, more prosperous and healthy nations due to their social stances. Unless you are a Muslim refugee in Norway, or really, even if you were, why in the fuck would you want to be… Read more »

brownbag

Amazing how people can take hearsay and run with it – so be it. Thrill, I’d love to back you up here, but I’d just be saying the same things you are. Well, I’ll just say a couple things… We have every right to have a more restrictive immigration stance – the same as other “better and more progressive countries” such as some I listed above. And, even if he did say shithole countries – the way those governments work is shitty toward their people. It just is – doesn’t make the poor folks there bad or shitty people (I… Read more »

CMNZ

Wow, if only there was an Olympics for being disingenuous. You guys would be fighting out the medals for sure.

CMNZ

Thrill you rail against the media for bias but you put up the Center for Immigration Studies as some sort of reputable source? Lol, ok then.

Have a good read of this section: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center_for_Immigration_Studies#Controversial_reports

Not a source you’d want to use, that is if you want to be taken seriously.

CMNZ

C’mon cress, I’m sure the Norway comparison was just another coincidence. Trump has an impressive lifelong track record of coincidences when it comes to race. Bitherism wasn’t about race, it was just a coincidence that Obama was black. You wouldn’t believe what they would have otherwise found in Norway.

Brownbag, when did I get giddy about exploiting school shootings?

CMNZ

Amazing how people can take hearsay and run with it

That’s just what you’ve done with Tapper’s anonymous source. There were multiple witnesses to it, including Republicans (some have clearly retained at least some degree of self-respect). Trump didn’t deny it for a long time, apparently he spent time gauging the reaction first.
https://twitter.com/HallieJackson/status/951885952095588352?ref_src=twcamp%5Eshare%7Ctwsrc%5Em5%7Ctwgr%5Eemail%7Ctwcon%5E7046%7Ctwterm%5E1

Perhaps Cotton and Perdue just didn’t hear it (doesn’t counter those who did hear it), or alternatively perhaps they should seek help for suffering such a devastating memory-related malady in service of the King.

CMNZ

Right, so just another AMAZING coincidence by the “least racist person”. Uncanny.

brownbag

I haven’t done anything with anyone’s sources CM. I can neither confirm or deny what he said. Pretty straightforward answer. I can use the fact that many things about The Great Orange One have been completely wrong and politically charged so there is a track record to use to support not believing the reports. He is also an ass that speaks out of the same orifice, so, maybe he said it as he has a track record of being blunt at the least. But, no idea as I really can’t believe either side. I want to go to THE ACTUAL… Read more »

CMNZ

“To see what is in front of one’s nose needs a constant struggle.”

— George Orwell

https://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/833322340264116224

But if you go just slightly further down this rabbithole then you could be up for some big $$$$
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/12/us/trump-stephanie-clifford-stormy-daniels.html

CMNZ

A book by John O’Donnell, former president of Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino in Atlantic City, quoted Trump’s criticism of a black accountant: “Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day. … I think that the guy is lazy. And it’s probably not his fault, because laziness is a trait in blacks. It really is, I believe that. It’s not anything they can control.” Trump at first denied the remarks, but later said in a 1997 Playboy interview that “the stuff O’Donnell… Read more »

Judge Dredd, Pro Se

What’s so hard to decipher, Brown bag? We don’t get immigrants from the countries like the one trump cited as the gold standard precisely because of people like trump and his politics. A country like Norway treats her citizens better than America treats hers. End of story. If America were more politically similar to Australia, New Zealand or even Norway it might be a draw, but America is a losing proposition for anyone but the extremely wealthy. My blood pressure is 111/74 and my resting pulse is 78, thanks for asking. How’s yours? You should read a book called “the… Read more »

CMNZ

I haven’t done anything with anyone’s sources CM. You sure did. You’re referring to multiple first-person accounts as ‘hearsay’. I can use the fact that many things about The Great Orange One have been completely wrong and politically charged so there is a track record to use to support not believing the reports. Sure, and I could point to one thing mis-reported to argue that everything negatively reported about Obama is probably wrong. But that would make me a loon. He is also an ass that speaks out of the same orifice, so, maybe he said it as he has… Read more »

CMNZ

I used a USA Today (which is mainstream media) article about the CIS study. Ah I see, my mistake, I clearly wasn’t meant to look any further. Especially into the fact that they’ve been misleading about this and other related ‘research’ for years. LOL. I think it provides a balanced perspective on the issue. I don’t see how – if it’s flawed (because it’s been put together by an extremely biased group with a clear agenda and history of misusing data to get the result they want). Morever, the CIS study was based on US Census data, not known for… Read more »

CMNZ

I have to say that if Trump being racist had any effect on the historic low unemployment for black Americans during his first year in office, maybe he should be even more racist.

Gold medal.

CMNZ

I guess you didn’t note that the article took the time to quote someone who disagreed with the CIS study’s findings.

So you answered your own “explain this” question.

CMNZ

Cotton and Purdue are firsthand witnesses and they say they didn’t hear it. Tim Scott says he heard from Lindsay Graham that Trump said it, but that’s hearsay because Scott wasn’t there. Ok then I was mistaken about a first hand account from a Republican. My bad. We still have two witnesses (an aide in addition to THE WORST MAN WHO EVER LIVED). We still have no denial until it was deemed necessary to do so, and it was clearly relayed (by their reactions) to a number Republicans in a manner or by a person which made it very clear… Read more »

CMNZ

Does the US have a significant number of immigrants who are reliant upon public welfare services? I’ve offered up a story on a study that claims it’s about half and that the number is higher than native born citizens. Do you dispute it. If so, with what do you dispute it? HUH? As already explained the basis of your source is clearly strongly biased and has been widely slammed for this sort of ‘research’ before. There are reasons given at my link and your own link as to why. They clearly do what is necessary to get the outcome they… Read more »

CMNZ

But as researchers at the libertarian Cato Institute point out, the main reason for the difference is that immigrant households tend to be larger than American households, and are therefore more likely to have children, including American-born children who are eligible for some benefits. To get a more accurate picture of welfare use, researchers need to compare individuals, not households. Using the same data, Cato researchers controlled for education levels, family size and income to see whether immigrants were more likely to use welfare benefits than non-immigrants in similar scenarios. Their results were more nuanced. Overall, poor immigrant households use… Read more »

Zurvan

He complains about CIS, but posts a link from Vox to prove Trump has a track record of racism. Oh the irony… If America were more politically similar to Australia, New Zealand or even Norway it might be a draw, but America is a losing proposition for anyone but the extremely wealthy. Anyone? In the last three years my income has more than tripled, and I am by no means “extremely wealthy”. And it’s not just me who America is a winning proposition for. The median income is the highest ever, and the poverty level has dropped to 2007 levels… Read more »

brownbag

CMNZ – Clearly you do exactly what you condemn others for doing. It’d be great if you were more self aware.

Judge – your BP is great but that resting heart rate seems high. Perhaps more cardio? My BP is 120/76 on average. Resting heart rate is 62. I take these 3 times per day. Probably weird but I’ve got time. I’ll check out the book.

Judge Dredd, Pro Se

Zurvan: I will just suspend disbelief for a second that the claim of some anonymous account on the internet “has tripled my salary in X amount of time”, and instead of immediately calling it dubious bullshit will entertain it for the purposes of proving my point. By your own disclosures, if taken at your word, you are not the “class” of people I am talking about. Even if you tripled your salary, in a hypothetical number let’s say from a base of 50k a year, you’d be at 150K a year. That is the low end of the most penalized… Read more »

Zurvan

I will just suspend disbelief for a second that the claim of some anonymous account on the internet “has tripled my salary in X amount of time”, and instead of immediately calling it dubious bullshit will entertain it for the purposes of proving my point. By your own disclosures, if taken at your word, you are not the “class” of people I am talking about. First off, I give two shits what you believe or not about me. You’re the idiot that made a claim in a previous post that you were richer than everyone else here. Now you have… Read more »

CMNZ

Nah, I won’t give you a hard time for your source choice. The primary sources are all actually that link. It happens to be Vox. Sure you can go through and give Donald the benefit of the doubt on every single occasion (like you did with that one example) but that just supports my mocking of how many coincidences there are. All these people, all the time, happen to be black. Whereas your primary source was CIS, via the LA Times. Let’s focus on the basis for Vox’s data in that article though. The Cato Institute. Bingo. You didn’t get… Read more »

CMNZ

Shit, apologies for the errors. Arrrggghh.

brownbag

I don’t go much to rTFTLC anymore so I’m not going to dredge up every link bomb you make with breathless anticipation after every school shooting. I quit responding to you on those situations as it seemed the last was pretty egregious. I can usually overlook it, but something you posted or linked to was very offensive. We all know you do it – Thrill highlighted that phrase. It’s not like he was protesting my statement. Just own that you’ll use those horrible situations immediately to push an agenda without even letting the shell casings hit the damn ground. I’m… Read more »

CMNZ

The stuff you quoted that was on a link from Vox was information that came from Cato. It’s all right there in your own quotes. Cato is the source. Ah I see. I was referring to the examples of how Trump is very clearly a racist. I linked to a Vox piece but all the examples are sourced. Which is why I said: The primary sources are all actually that link. It happens to be Vox. Sure you can go through and give Donald the benefit of the doubt on every single occasion (like you did with that one example)… Read more »

CMNZ

I don’t go much to rTFTLC anymore so I’m not going to dredge up every link bomb you make with breathless anticipation after every school shooting. I quit responding to you on those situations as it seemed the last was pretty egregious. I can usually overlook it, but something you posted or linked to was very offensive. Every link bomb I make with breathless anticipation after every school shooting? Wow, ok. Good one. Usually if you’re going to make such a crazy offensive accusation it’s a good idea to remember what the basis of it is. Rather than doubling down… Read more »

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