No, I’m not making light of this latest school shooting.  I’m also not really discussing the event itself, since we’re still in the 48 Hour Irresponsible Media Speculation Phase that occurs after any critical incident.  Seriously, look at this:

All but two of those topics are related to this, all of them loaded with bullshit.  Some people are offering prayers, some are offering suggestions that those who are praying are full of shit.  Everybody is either talking about how the killer was a card-carrying member of the NRA or Antifa or ISIS or an illegal alien, depending on which matching name they found on Facebook or whatever else they’re digging up in their desperate urge to satisfy their own confirmation biases.

We’ve seen this movie before and I’m not buying a ticket tonight.  Do you want to have another gun control argument?  I’m good with that, but I have another angle I’d rather explore.  Namely, is there more we should be expecting authorities to do when someone is a known threat?  Take a look at this very short clip.  It’s only 25 seconds long, you ADHD freakazoid.

This is one of the more intriguing post-9/11 phenomenons.  With certain exceptions like Las Vegas shooter Stephen Paddock, you don’t hear as much as you used to that the shooter “was a quiet guy who kept to himself; so nobody saw this coming”.  After over 16 years of the American population metamorphisizing into the paranoid and fearful entity that it has become, even high school students have become capable at performing competent threat assessments on their friends and neighbors.  All of those DHS “See Something, Say Something” posters, workplace violence seminars, and school counseling seminars we’ve been attending over the years clearly are in fact paying off in that regard.  Believe it or not.

Unfortunately, we see time and again that even though we have gotten better at identifying threats than we’ve ever been before, we still aren’t good at preventing them.  There have been a few killers, like the Orlando Pulse Nightclub jihadist, who were known to authorities but no action was taken.  Law enforcement’s role is to prevent crime where it can through deterrence but if there isn’t a crime, then there isn’t really much it can do.  Until one happens.  In cases like this, it’s far too late.

Let’s assume that you’re not in the “GIVE UP YOUR GUNS NOW, YOU REDNECK PRICK” contingent, or that you accept that we’re just not going to give up our guns, and that you’d like to see a change in the way these threats are identified and handled before anybody gets hurt.  What would you favor?

Say that law enforcement officials were fully capable of providing accurate threat assessments which could positively identify a dangerous suspect profile and predict the likelihood of that person committing an act of mass violence.  We don’t need psychics or anything, Tom Cruise.  Just surveys based on known profiles of previous killers.  What should be done next?  Local law enforcement doesn’t really have the resources to put a tail on every kook running around, even in a smaller town.

What about some sort of electronic monitoring?  Would you support someone like Cruz who has been identified as a threat having to wear a bracelet and sensors that could track his movements until such time as he is deemed no longer a threat?  The system could track if he visits a location at which he might be able to acquire weapons or explosives.  Sensors could detect the presence of smokeless gunpowder.  Maybe he could even be outfitted with listening devices while an application listens for key words.  Or a program could be uploaded to his electronics that monitors for dangerous social media usage.  If there are any suspicion indicators, law enforcement could be notified.

I know this sounds radical and like a massive civil liberties headache, but this level of surveillance is fully consistent with what the US government can do through a FISC for suspected foreign spies.  Would it be worth it to apply this level of surveillance to an American citizen if it might save lives?  Can we trust local law enforcement with this power?  How would you see it implemented?

I’m of the opinion that a maniac will always find a way to maniac.  Yes, we could focus on the weapons that are used to carry out attacks, but a motivated attacker in a disarmed state can still acquire explosives, flammables, edged weapons, and vehicles to carry out attacks.  Instead of taking their dangerous toys away, how do we stop them?

I think the technology already exists, but we’re not (yet) willing to use it.  Are you?  If not, what would it take to reassure you that it would work and be reasonably safe from abuse?

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Unfortunately both the right and the left are guilty of the irresponsible blame phase, Guy on Tucker Carlson’s show rambled about video games while of course politicians and celebrities blame the guns because NRA.

This little psycho’s behavior was apparently known beforehand. You’d think that by now somebody might have done something.

getting the legal authority to place someone who has not yet committed a crime, under police monitoring would be a legal nightmare, fraught with ACLU challenges, bloviating pronouncements for the authoritarian right, and copious amounts of screeching and crying from both sides of the protection at all costs to dont tread on me crowds. however, standards for such surveillance are already in place, sorta. with restraining orders, removal of visitation privileges, fire arm owner ship with drug use or mental issues., ect. then there is the argument, that if a person is so dangerous why are they not in jail?… Read more »

Zurvan

What about some sort of electronic monitoring? Would you support someone like Cruz who has been identified as a threat having to wear a bracelet and sensors that could track his movements until such time as he is deemed no longer a threat? Absolutely not. No person shall be…deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law… I also strongly disagree with what some people are already saying – if a person is on the no-fly list, they shouldn’t be able to buy guns. That’s a direct violation of the Fifth Amendment. If the government can make a… Read more »

Zurvan

He’s a loon. So he gets a summons to court, is found to be loony, and given restrictions since the due process of law has been followed. What now? Should he monitored electronically in the way I described? Are you okay with the surveillance as long as there’s due process of law? Why would monitoring via ankle bracelet be necessary? Restrict his ability to legally obtain a gun. Or, if warranted, throw him in a psychiatric ward. The other is which types of mental illness should result in the government bringing this sort of action against a person? Depression? Gender… Read more »

That’s where I have to put forth the insensitive, fatalistic argument that says that we should should just accept the danger of these things happening as a matter of living in a free society.

I have made those types of arguments before, but wait until you have a kid or two in a high school. That fucking smartphone video is haunting. My kid’s life IS more important TO ME than anyone’s (including my own) gun.

No, it’s not really my point of view. I’m just spitballing. Anything to escape the usual unsolvable nonsense being peddled today. Fair point. I wish people would attempt a rational conversation, absolutely. There are numbers that can be gathered and analyzed that could attempt to calculate numbers of people killed/saved if certain actions are taken. I am more than 50% certain that both sides would be unhappy with portions of the results. People would rather put their heads in the sand than look at reality sometimes. Guns are useful tools in the right hands. It is figuring out which hands… Read more »

Zurvan

It is strange that these incidents keep happening in “Gun Free Zones”. If only criminals intent on murdering people cared about laws. We definitely need more laws to prevent that.

If a threat assessment says that teachers need to be armed to make kids safe it is time to pull them out and home school. Our district has an online school so it is an easy decision to make.

CMNZ

It is strange that these incidents keep happening in “Gun Free Zones”.

They do happen to be where people gather in groups, so perhaps it’s not surprising if the shooter wants to kill a lot of people.
Also in this case it looks like he was specifically targeting the school, rather than a ‘Gun Free Zone’ specifically.

Zurvan

https://www.dailywire.com/news/27205/walsh-its-time-put-armed-security-every-public-matt-walsh# WALSH: It’s Time To Put Armed Security In Every Public School In America Why is this even a discussion? Why would any sane person oppose it? What exactly is the downside to having armed security in every public school in the country? A public school is a government facility. It is a government facility where we send our kids for 8 hours a day. If virtually every other type of government building has armed security, whey would we leave unsecured precisely the one type of government facility that houses our children? I could get behind that provided they’re properly… Read more »

Zurvan

Still, it’s not enough by itself. The deputy who worked security at Columbine High School responded after the first shots and exchanged gunfire with Harris and Klebold, but couldn’t stop them. It’s been shown he did delay them. Even a single life saved is worth having armed guards in schools. And I’ll say it again – there is a reason why these cowards continue to target “Gun Free Zones”. If they knew they would face armed resistance, some would choose not to, or choose other targets. We are never going to stop all of them, but this is doing something… Read more »

Zurvan

It’s come out that this nutball had the Police come visit him 39 times. 39? And he was in a psychiatric facility as a juvenile. And the FBI has admitted they didn’t follow policy when the guy’s Youtube comment was identified.

But black rifles are the problem. (Isn’t that racist?)

It’s come out that this nutball had the Police come visit him 39 times. 39? And he was in a psychiatric facility as a juvenile. And the FBI has admitted they didn’t follow policy when the guy’s Youtube comment was identified.

Waht? Where ya see that at ? link? holy fuck the NICS should have kicked in and not authorized that transfer of the Rifle, if the FBI had and police had followed through….?

Zurvan

It gets worse. The FBI was warned last month that Nikolas Cruz was an armed psycho who might shoot up a school — but it didn’t bother investigating, the agency admitted Friday. “A person close to” Cruz called the agency’s tipline on Jan. 5 and reported the 19-year-old had a “desire to kill people, erratic behavior, and disturbing social media posts” and there was “potential of him conducting a school shooting,” the FBI said in a statement. But the agency said it failed to pass on any of that information to its Miami field office, even thought its own protocols… Read more »

i didnt see that story make any waves out side twitter……..

oh that that Right wing Nazi militia in Florida.? Looks like it was another 4Chan troll..

Is he right?

I don’t know, but if Trump tried that, all hell would break loose.

Zurvan

No words…

The school resource deputy who was on patrol at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida, on Feb. 14 resigned Thursday after video surveillance showed he never entered the school, even though he “clearly” knew there was a shooting taking place, officials said.

Good, I’ll let you do the honors.

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