A rhetorical question; who does John McCain hate more, Barrack Obama or Donald Trump?

I assume that leftist blogs are the same way, but whenever I visit right leaning blogs I get the feeling that I am being directed to look at a particular issue a certain way. Being contrary be nature, I bristle when manipulated down the primrose path when all other alternatives are discounted and dismissed.  The obviousness of the situation and resulting echo chamber comments that follow demand a closer more thorough approach.

John McCain has been all over the news of late; mostly of his own making, his bitterness that events did not go as planned, mortality staring him in the face and his scramble to re write history more favorable to his reputation, and a plaint media who couldn’t care less about McCain but love to stick it to the president.

Most of the right leaning blogs paints him as blight on humanity, a decrepit shell of a man too self-absorbed to die gracefully, and too bitter at events to take proper reflection of his life. The left love him for one reason only, he does not like Donald Trump (how easy it is to join their TDS club). That and he did not get in the way of their beloved Barrack Obama.

The lead off question was obviously not difficult at all. Despite losing to Obama, and despite Obama humiliating him at the healthcare summit;

McCain hates Trump, and for good reason. Trump has called him a dummy and a loser, has maligned his naval service and questioned the “war hero” moniker because he was captured, and questioned his conservative bonfides (who hasn’t?). McCain derailed the skinny Obamacare reform legislation which his best buddy co-authored, I guess he hates Trump more than he loves Graham.

McCain knew that when he passes Trump wouldn’t attend. He missed Barbara Bush’s funeral because the Bush boys would kick his ass, it would take all of them to do it. So it goes to reason that he would miss McCain’s as well. No matter, John made a big deal out of publicly banning Trump from his funeral.

I won’t go much in to the stupid Kelly Sadler controversy, what a bag of nothing that is. Of course the media won’t let it go, anything to stick it to Trump, how noble they all are.

Much like Hillary, with Obama and Kerry’s books coming next, McCain wrote a book trying to rehabilitate his reputation.  We come to find out it was he who first laid hands on the Steele Dossier and gave it to Comey back in November 2016. He tries to make himself all noble by having concerns about Russian interference so when it was given to him by another UK official with the clear warning that it was raw, unverified and unsubstantiated, his hatred of all things Trump lead him to turn it over to Comey, just in case.

Also in the book he kicks Sarah Palin in the stomach by saying he made a mistake in selecting her as VP, like she had anything to do with his loss. He was worse than Hillary at campaigning. McCain was no conservative, so choosing Palin got him a lot of votes.  Palin has always been gracious to McCain, too bad his need to make excuses for his defeat obviates him following suit.

It is clear to McCain that he will not recover, thus all the talk about who gets to come to his funeral. Yet, he still holds the Senate seat. McCain cannot do his job. He cannot vote on any issues since he is not in Washington. He does not resign and allow the Governor to nominate a replacement, why, because he hates Trump. With such a razor-thin majority in the Senate, even measures that require a simple majority are difficult. The combination of Trump being bombastic and prickly, and some prima donnas like Collins and Paul who have a distorted view of their own importance, that and a misguided messiah complex, has made getting anything done Herculean.  Another “yes” vote would go far in advancing the Trump agenda, but McCain won’t budge, more moral failings on his part.  He is not serving the people of his state or the people of the nation when he puts ego before duty, he is doing this in spades.

A quick note on his daughter. By all accounts John has been a good husband and a good father. Meghan is getting a lot of grief over her blind defense of her father. I say blind because she is asking what is unreasonable.  I never fault a relative for sticking up for family. Much like Cindy Sheehan during the Bush gulf war, she was becoming a nuisance and an irritant but I always cut her slack because she lost a kid, no one should ever have to suffer that fate. Meghan is being a good daughter, leave her alone.

John has led a good life, he needs to exit with that same grace and honor that exemplified his life.  I respect his naval service and acknowledge the rough times he weathered as a POW. I think he tried to serve the good folks of Arizona as best he could, no shame in that.  I wish he was less bitter about the past and less resolute in trying to explain away or right certain wrongs he feels he has endured. He has the love of his family and the respect of most Americans, which should be good enough.  I hope he does not suffer and pray for his family. He should not be used as a cudgel to beat the president with or maligned by the GOP’ers who wishes he would just shut up and die.  He is a good man and should be remembered as such.

22 comments

  1. McCain may be bitter, but to his credit he didn’t constantly whine about it unlike Gore and Hillary. His final act seems to have been about regaining his independent cred. His reputation on the right may improve after he’s gone. Either way, he definitely left his mark on history.

  2. I honor McCain’s military service, and am sad to see an American hero go.

    But let’s be honest, anything that was heroic about McCain died years ago. The fact that he will not resign even now is all anyone needs to know. The 100% politician that has taken over since long before his presidential run needs to FOAD.

  3. I rewatched the town hall meeting when he was running for President where he puts the nut jobs in their place. Classy. Now the nutjobs with absolutely zero class are in charge. No wonder he is so disappointed in the state of his beloved country.
    Rich, it’s Barack, not Barrack. He was POTUS for 8 years, is your ODS still so bad that you won’t spell his name correctly? What was that you told me: you lost, get over it etc.

    Also, it’s a little bit strange to write a piece supposedly arguing McCain deserves better, when the vast majority of what you write is ripping him a new one.

  4. You also still seem to be suffering under an illusion that speaking out and acting against Trump (and generally considering him to be wholly unfit for public office and an embarrassment to the country as judging by his words and actions since he became POTUS, which really are just a continuation of before, because that’s who he is) is just blind irrational ‘hate’. Good luck getting yourself out of that rabbit hole (as if you’d have any intention of doing so).

  5. Now the nutjobs with absolutely zero class are in charge.

    considering him to be wholly unfit for public office

    Nope, no TDS there. Talk about a rabbit hole, you are mired in a sewage hole, home is where the heart is.

    And I suspect based on your track record that the only reason you have anything good to say about McCain is because he lost to BaRRRRRack. Democrats always have nice things to say about Republicans as long as they are left defeated and broken on the side of the road.

    But you keep your tired predictable “dumpster fire/shitshow” shtick going if it gives you comfort. For all Trump’s faults, and I’ve written about many of them here, the simple fact that he causes you guys such agony and discomfort (show me your constipation face again, adorable) makes him very appealing.

  6. I find it amusing that the very people that were thrashing McCain a few years ago, basically calling him every thing but white, are now up his ass acting like they are his most nobel defenders…

    Hes bitter old and dying, and wont let go of his seat, for the good of the nation, because he has a grudge with trump. as as POW, he shined, but as a politician, he turned in to a embodiment of the old power elite, that held on to power for spites sake….
    reminds me of Melville, as quoted by KHHAAAAAANNN!!

    To the last, I grapple with thee; From Hell’s heart, I stab at thee; For hate’s sake, I spit my last breath at thee.

  7. Nope, no TDS there. Talk about a rabbit hole, you are mired in a sewage hole, home is where the heart is.

    Coming from a Trumpian (and especially one that belly-ached about the type of private party Michelle Obama threw) that’s as meaningless as it gets.
    Thanks for lending more evidence to my point about your suffering the illusion though (somehow you haven’t worked out that if you dismiss all criticism you don’t agree with as TDS, it very quickly loses all meaning).

    And I suspect based on your track record that the only reason you have anything good to say about McCain is because he lost to BaRRRRRack.

    Ah nope, it was a classy and impressive thing to do at the time, before he lost. That he lost is irrelevant to that. It’s not all about winning or losing (they are always fleeting). I realise that it must be easy to resort to binary though (very Trumpian).
    My point was how it illustrates the considerable difference in the quality of people we are talking about.

    But you keep your tired predictable “dumpster fire/shitshow” shtick going if it gives you comfort.

    I don’t need comfort, I’m fine (thankful to be in a small country at the bottom of the world, looking out). Just observing (looking out is a good place from which to observe), along with most of the rest of the world (including much of the US). You’d have to be living under a rock, or restricting yourself only to a Trumpian ecosystem, not to be witnessing it yourself. Which is fascinating in itself.

    the simple fact that he causes you guys such agony and discomfort (show me your constipation face again, adorable) makes him very appealing.

    But of course – it’s one of the central tenants of being a Trumpian.

  8. Hes bitter old and dying, and wont let go of his seat, for the good of the nation, because he has a grudge with trump. as as POW, he shined, but as a politician, he turned in to a embodiment of the old power elite, that held on to power for spites sake….

    Gee, who would have thought that Trump’s actions and statements would have an actual negative effect?! 😉
    Nah, it’s all McCain, he’s the problem here. LOL
    Bizarro world.

  9. Too funny, you got exposed as the raging foaming at the mouth TDS sufferer that you are by your own words;

    Now the nutjobs with absolutely zero class are in charge.

    considering him to be wholly unfit for public office

    And all you can come up with is I am a Trumpian? You should go back to questioning what you were thinking, at least that was honest.

    Maybe I should call you CM……..oh………wait!!

  10. You ARE a Trumpian, as I keep pointing out when you put it on display. Clearly when Obama could do nothing right you were only pretending to have standards.

  11. Ah nope, it was a classy and impressive thing to do at the time, before he lost. That he lost is irrelevant to that. It’s not all about winning or losing

    I can’t be arsed to get into the tit for tat of who has ODS/TDS and all that guff, as it’s a really circular argument. But I thought it might be interesting to pose a hypothetical.

    Would you rather your candidate acted with integrity (a la McCain) and lost, or didn’t (a la Trump) and won? Let’s keep this hypothetical – I’m sure the right wingers here could come up with a left wing analogue for the two sides. I’m interested in the concept, because right now I’m not sure which I’d choose.

  12. That’s assuming McCain has any integrity left. One of the liberal media’s attacks on him in 2008 was that he had lost his integrity. While they were right, it’s amazing that they again consider him a person of integrity just because of his dislike for Donald Trump.

  13. Would you rather your candidate acted with integrity (a la McCain) and lost, or didn’t (a la Trump) and won? Let’s keep this hypothetical – I’m sure the right wingers here could come up with a left wing analogue for the two sides. I’m interested in the concept, because right now I’m not sure which I’d choose.

    You’re joking, right?

    What possible value is there in losing an election? Gee, I could have gotten a hummer from the head cheerleader behind the bleachers but instead I went out for tea with the librarian (btw, no offense to the librarians out there).

    This sounds like one of those “moral victory” capitulations losers tell to other losers.

    The whole reason for voting is to elect someone of your values or closer to your values than the other guy. We want those in power to shape our society more aligned with those values. We aren’t adopting him or making him a role model, we want him to do our bidding, nothing more. I didn’t vote for Dole, McCain, or Romney because they were a better person (although they were) but because I wanted them to shape America, as much as their power allowed, to conform more to my ideals.

    To say that, if given the choice, you would have a hard time deciding between a moral man who embodies everything you find wrong or dangerous in policy, or an immoral man who wants exactly the same thing you want in government, that is just mind boggling.

  14. This sounds like one of those “moral victory” capitulations losers tell to other losers.

    Not really. There are a lot of reasons for both liberals and conservatives that it may have been better for certain people to have lost their elections. You can’t always know ahead of time, but signs are usually there. I am not sorry that Hillary lost. I do not think she would have been the best president, but Trump is not a better option in my opinion.

    Besides, McCain didn’t lose because of integrity, he lost because he looked out of touch with the realities of the 2007 economy.

  15. The Bill Gates video talking about his recent Trump experiences……holy shit, yet again.

  16. The Bill Gates video talking about his recent Trump experiences……holy shit, yet again.

    Oh, forchrisakes, give it rest. Is there nothing salacious or unflattering to the president that you won’t swallow hook, line, and sinker?

    A committed lefty who admits he purposely avoids Trump had a theory about a helicopter, BFD. Does Bill know why Trump left first, does he know why he returned in the helicopter? Did they have a conversation afterwards where it was explained? Presidents are busy folks, you and Bill don’t have a frickin’ clue why he left and why he returned. If a grand entrance was what he wanted, why not come the first time in a helicopter? Presidents can do that, right? Then Bill makes a smarmy remark that Trump is a pedophile to the applause of his audience. And you lap up every drop as gospel because of your malady.

    Do you have anything at all constructive or beneficial to offer, or is parroting the latest unsubstantiated gossip about Trump all you got?

  17. Lurking….
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/blogs/right-turn/wp/2018/05/18/trump-apologists-are-grossly-exaggerating-his-achievements/?__twitter_impression=true

    Each accomplishment on the list I provided is backed by a news story, including a link to the original source (at least all the ones I looked at, anyway), so people can read the articles and do the research and reach their own conclusions.

    Or they can be lazy and let a “journalist” who claims to lean right, but writes for a left-wing paper and uses left-wing sources, do their thinking for them.

    The bottom line is that it still doesn’t matter if leftists call Trump names. Conservative shit is still getting done, even if Jennifer Rubin opines otherwise. For all we know, she’s just another Trump-hating establishment “conservative”.

    Something to consider: Would those things on the accomplishments list have happened if Hillary were President?

  18. Cress, following up on your question which I think is interesting as well. Naturally, different people are going to value character limitations differently. Some, like me, value it only to the degree that it can impede or derail the business at hand. Others may value it more, but times, they are a changing. In my lifetime it would have been unheard of to elect a divorcee, a gay, a Catholic, a Mormon, or even atheists to the highest office, those limitations are history.

    Although evangelicals invoke primacy for the next or afterlife, that does not absolve responsibility for this one; we have to live here as well. Instructed not only to be good citizens and good stewards of our environment, a healthy and diligent respect for our God given rights is essential in government, that and working towards emulating those virtues that we cling to; the dignity of each individual, the rights to liberty, and to pursue happiness in our own way.

    One analogy that may work here; to view choosing politicians like a job interview, say hiring a landscape architect to do the front yard of your new house. You have a vision in mind of what you want the front yard to look like. He not only understands that vision but may offer ideas or work arounds to improve it, make it more functional, more economical or more esthetically pleasing. He must understand the business, dealing with vendors and permits. He must be a good communicator in demonstrating to me that we are on the same page. He must be a good leader to get the very best out of his crew. He must be focused, diligently working each and every day to get the job done. He must not be profligate, getting the job done on budget. Now whether he drinks, smokes, kicks his dog, has a gambling problem, doesn’t pay his taxes, beats his wife, or spends his surplus cash on cranked out hookers, as long as none of this influences the work I am hiring him to do, those are all ancillary.

    Sure, honesty is an important character issue; I place this in the necessary column because lack of honesty affects job performance. But let’s be honest, both candidates were not trustworthy so it was an even playing field.

    I talked about the cult of personality before. Hero worship or blind loyalties have no place in a democracy. They are the hired help and should be treated as such.

    Another problem we have today; voting based on identity politics or loyalties to tribes. Black people voting for a guy just because he is black, women voting for a woman because it is somehow their time, Millennials voting for Bernie because he is going to stick it to the rich (not have the foresight to realize they might be rich someday) and wipe out their student debt, the transitory, “What’s in it for me specifically today?”

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