Normally, this would be a “man bites dog” story except that the celebrity in question was insulting Democrats.

https://twitter.com/therealroseanne/status/1001471669641216005

Hollywood will tolerate a great deal of bad behavior from its own.  You can cost a big budget movie premiere a couple of hundred million dollars by injecting your sexual politics into family franchises like Jon Kasdan, for example.  Or you can call for the violent overthrow of the US government and launch the most imaginative attacks and threats against political figures and not see any blip in one’s career (Kathy Griffin being a rare exception).  All of it is okay, as long as that celebrity has the correct politics.

Say George W Bush looks like a monkey?  That’s fine.  Compare Valerie Jarrett to an ape?  Oooh, no way.  That’s how it is.  I mean…

I’m not defending Roseanne, of course.  This is one for the “bitch shoulda known better” file.  She should have known both that you cannot compare a black person to any non-human primate without being expelled from modern American society and that there is a double standard applied against people who hold the wrong political opinions.

Will this mean the destruction of her career, once and for all?  Probably not, though it’s permanently crippled.  The only thing I think is really a shame is that there was finally one show on prime time that was providing a different viewpoint and being wildly successful for it.    It only looks worse that Roseanne blew it up by acting as racially insensitive as Trump supporters are so often accused of being and it makes it unlikely that anyone else will get another opportunity.

It goes to show a couple of things.  First, being successful in entertainment provides no immunity when it comes to political incorrectness.  #MeToo doesn’t have a monopoly on this, though it’s the newer phenomenon.  Second, the Right needs to be a bit more choosy in terms of its standard-bearers.  Hollywood is very much enemy territory and discretion is the better part of valor.

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Look, i despise Rosanne, and i am not gonnas shed any tears of her loss of her show. IT was stupid and immature, but this is fucking stupid, have you seen Valerie Jarrett? yeah she does look a bit like one of the chimps from the movies.. with that being said Trump still looks like he rolled in cheetos… so?> everyone happy?./ With all the shit talking coming from talking heads and actors about Trumps appearance… heh, this is just a excuse. But then again this show belongs to ABC and they have the right to fire her if they… Read more »

TBF: Barr has a long history of saying crazy stuff on Twitter and in general. I don’t mean conservative stuff; I mean *crazy* stuff like 9/11 conspiracy theories and so on. My feeling is that this was the last straw for ABC.

Rosie has long had her crazy side; did nobody at ABC remember this? So she does seem to be more a victim of foot in mouth syndrome than politically correct censorship, but yeah her career is probably largely over at this point. And the right really needs to pick its allies more carefully:
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/05/28/louis-farrakhan-on-trump/

Judge Dredd, Pro Se

It’s almost as if you can thread the needle that the trumpkin cucks outrage over the anthem kneeling is purely racial bigotry without any better example than Roseanne. If you’re that obese skank you can shit on the anthem quite publicly at a sporting event and become a folk hero of the dumbfuvk trump supporter, even getting mentioned by the orange cuck himself as someone who “gets us.” Don’t bother quietly kneeling during the anthem if you’re black, though. That’ll end your career to the toothless masses REAL QUICK. No one will be coming to your rescue with “whataboutisms” of… Read more »

Santino

his type of racism, bigotry and flat out mean spirited insulting is the life blood of the trump movement and his followers;

Sounds like it works for both sides.

that obese skank

dumbfuvk trump supporter

that fat skank

to please the hillbillies

Lurking

Don’t bother quietly kneeling during the anthem if you’re black, though.

Or any other color.

There is a world of difference between a racist comment aimed at an individual, and giving the middle finger to the entire country, including those who pay your extremely generous salary.

CMNZ

Judge didn’t mean it though, IT WAS THE AMBIEN.

Zurvan

Judge didn’t mean it though, IT WAS THE AMBIEN.

He’s on Ambien every time he posts? Constantly dreaming of “cucks” would explain a few things.

There is a world of difference between a racist comment aimed at an individual, and giving the middle finger to the entire country, including those who pay your extremely generous salary. See, others would argue that there’s a world of difference between a non-stop stream of racial invective and conspiracy mongering on Twitter and someone kneeling quietly during as an act of social protest. It is not the protest I would have chosen, but I do have trouble seeing it as a “middle finger to the entire country” especially as that form of protest was chosen after speaking to veterans.… Read more »

With that one totally thoughtless tweet, Barr lost her job and destroyed her own, already rocky reputation. Worse yet, she obliterated any chance of getting more honest depictions of working-class Americans on TV.

I don’t follow this logic. Unless you’re saying that working class Americans are by definition racist, which is plainly untrue. In fact the pertinent point here was that her show wasn’t sunk because she was a Trump supporter – it was sunk because she was a racist.

CMNZ

Apparently the makers of Ambien have clarified that being racist isn’t a side effect.
Being a Trump supporter doesn’t mean you’re a racist but it sure as hell helps.

CMNZ

we can argue all day whether or not that’s racist

It shouldn’t require an argument. Accept that it is and move on.

Zurvan

It shouldn’t require an argument. Accept that it is and move on.

So this is Racist…

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And this…

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Glad that’s settled.

Lurking

See, others would argue……..

…….I do have trouble seeing……..

None of that matters. NFL fans have taken the “protests” more or less as I described them, which is why NFL ratings and revenues fell, and why there are new rules in place. Now you can call the fans “racists” if you want, but again, it doesn’t matter. They’ll just re-elect Trump as a response.

But is it okay to think that a specific black person looks like a non-human primate? C’mon Will. Really? Is it your argument that Roseanne Barr genuinely thought that VJ specifically resembled one of the actors from Planet of the Apes, decided that this insight needed to be shared with the world. It was just a really unlucky coincidence that this benign observation, sounded like she was saying that a black woman looked like an ape, which is a well known racist trope. Oh and also she ‘forgot’ to mention which specific actor, playing which specific role in which specific… Read more »

Zurvan

So comparing someone to a monkey is only racist if the person is not white? Isn’t that the very definition of a double standard?

As it is, she’s just in trouble for the insult bit. Rosanne is in trouble for the racist bit. All this dancing on the head of a needle trying to provide hierarchical primacy to protected classes, quite a spectacle. Maybe there is an aggrieved status ladder I’m not privy to but I always thought the left prioritized sexism right up there with racism. To normalize the debasement of women with the most vile vicious slander available, somehow this ticks low in the outrage meter compared to intimating a person of color is a descendant of an ape. For my money… Read more »

You know what really blows me away? i seen Valerie Jarrett, and i assumed she was Persian……………….i actually had to have someone explain to me that her parents were black………..

and another thing that offends me,,
a few years ago that fat slug belted out the worst, disrespectful version of that national anthem i have ever heard……and soon as she came out for Trump, that went away…

So comparing someone to a monkey is only racist if the person is not white? Isn’t that the very definition of a double standard?

Yes, but that doenst matter.

So comparing someone to a monkey is only racist if the person is not white? Isn’t that the very definition of a double standard? Yes – because that’s what racism (and sexism and anti semitism and any type of prejudice) is. Because the ‘joke’ is about appealing to racist sterotypes of a particular group. Prejudice is all about double standards – that’s the point. Racist jokes are just that – the point of the punchline is that it confirms to the stereotype. All this dancing on the head of a needle trying to provide hierarchical primacy to protected classes, quite… Read more »

Not really – it’s just ‘don’t be racist’. I got a better idea, how about we address the specific words used and not play the amazing Kreskin when it comes to other people’s motivations and biases. but happy to have that discussion about what types of discourse we are comfortable with in the public sphere. Again, since there are those that can find racism under every rock, a better approach would be address the specific word or act and go from there. Words like the N word and the C word have no place whatsoever in civic discourse and anyone… Read more »

Again, since there are those that can find racism under every rock, a better approach would be address the specific word or act and go from there. I didn’t think I was going to have to explain why calling a black person an ape was racist, but, OK. If you want to go down that route. The tweet read: “muslim brotherhood & planet of the apes had a baby=vj” So firstly we see that she wasn’t making a statement about what Jarrett looked like. She didn’t say – If the Muslim Brotherhood and the Planet of the Apes had a… Read more »

I didn’t think I was going to have to explain why calling a black person an ape was racist, but, OK. Sorry, you went there on your own. If you want to go down that route. I didn’t, where in any of this did I defend the tweet? My comment was in response to your ,”Just don’t be racist”, which is rather meaningless considering the aggrieved state many on the left find themselves in. Yes, I know the history with associating black folks with monkey’s, and in that context I do think it was a racist tweet, how could you… Read more »

My comments did not even address her tweet, it was about the free pass the left gives on certain bad behavior while holding other bad behavior as sacred cows. My bad – I misunderstood your point. But yes, you see the racism in Barr’s tweet, and you even have a neo-feminist reading of the contextualisation of the C word. Welcome to the club. Your hackey sack is over there, the drum circle begins at 3, and just let Jacinta know your preferred pronoun. Could you explain this a little bit more: My comment was in response to your ,”Just don’t… Read more »

Oh and Rich – I respect the out of your position on the C word. I don’t personally have the same view, but I do respect yours.

And do not google Roy Chubby Brown.

CMNZ

Again, all this offence in response to someone saying cunt, and any opinion about racism, it all rings utterly hollow when you know of Trump’s blatant history and misogyny and vote him POTUS. I mean, why bother with the pretense that it matters at all? Who are you trying to fool other than yourself?

CMNZ

The ape slur is Racist Language 101. Who are the people comparing it to the Dubya example trying to fool? Where does it fit into the history of racist white oppression FFS?

Zurvan

Because the ‘joke’ is about appealing to racist sterotypes of a particular group.

Wow. So you happen to know that Barr’s comment was all about appealing to racist stereotypes, but Maher’s wasn’t. I didn’t realize you were a mind reader, that’s fascinating.

I’ve never seen someone miss the blatant hypocrisy of a double standard so thuroughly.

Welcome to the club Ahh, Since I am older than you (I suspect) and have had my sensibilities directed by a moral compass calibrated at an early age, I was a member of this club long before you. Unlike many this is not virtue signalling for me, I lived through the 60’s and witnessed it first hand. Yes, I was pretty young but I survived the mean streets of Oakland solely on my hoop skills. I have lived on both sides of the street. Could you explain this a little bit more: Gee, does this really need further explanation? OK,… Read more »

Lurking

https://twitter.com/JessePariseau/status/1002377493133910017?s=19

So Trump was a racist 35 years ago. He was also a Democrat. Nobody is perfect.

CMNZ

Even more racist than what? Huh?
The drop is just a continuation of the trend, if you don’t cherry pick you’d see it. It’s a good thing, but it has absolutely nothing to do with Trump’s clear history of racism. You really need to be willingly blind not to acknowledge it. You can argue it doesn’t matter somehow, or play some sort of what-aboutism game, but denying is just loony tunes.

CMNZ

Lurking, I think you’ve nicely summed up the quality of the available responses which avoid reality. It’s a pattern through his life. Just like his attitude towards women. There are racists and mysogynists in all political parties (that’s certainly a reality).

CMNZ

https://twitter.com/sallykohn/status/785633172771966976?s=19

Where was all this pearl clutching over naughty words at the Trump rallies? Isn’t this how “regular working class Americans” talk anyway? Why the ivory tower elitism? On one hand it’s a shame that Roseanne is cancelled because it reflects their lives, but then on the other hand someone being called a cunt is beyond the pale (to the point where the abuser-in-Chief’s administration is telling them to cancel Bee’s show)? The actual fuck?

I mean, I knew you’d effectively all given up with pretenses, but there’s clearly still some work to do.

Zurvan

This thread pretty well sums up the theory I have that the two political spectrums are speaking different languages these days.

Zurvan

This is the Totalitarian Left.

Nazi.

CMNZ

Didn’t really serve the interests of the 4600 dead Puerto Ricans. Ted Nugent isn’t a rando. He called Hillary a ‘toxic cunt’ and yet was invited to the WH. Dehumanizing rhetoric? LOL, you VOTED for dehumanizing rhetoric, it’s a well known and central part of what Trump is. He spent the entire campaign doing it. You literally have no leg to stand on, again. Yes, vicious hate speech is a problem, especially because it leads to violence. So don’t vote for it. You voted for a guy who retweeted Jack Posobiec FFS, the Pizzagate guy, the guy who took a… Read more »

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