As what Peter Zeihan calls “the Disorder” fully manifests, Trump accurately calls out the stupidity of NATO’s continued existence.

The Republican president, in Brussels for the NATO summit, took a swipe at Germany for supporting a new pipeline for Russian gas, saying at a pre-summit meeting: “We’re supposed to be guarding against Russia and Germany goes out and pays billions and billions of dollars a year to Russia.”

This…so much THIS.  We offer unconditional military protection to Germany and wage proxy wars against Russia on its behalf.  In return, Germany refuses to pay its alliance dues and maintain adequate military forces to help defend against Russia and buys its energy from Russia, the country we’re ostensibly protecting it from.  It’s senseless.

I had brought up this same point about a month ago in a conversation on the topic.  If Trump is ready to break NATO apart, good.  Alliances are, and should be, temporary and the temporary threat that we were temporarily defending Europe from long ago stopped being a threat to us.  The Germans aren’t even maintaining the pretense that Russia is a threat to them either.

H/T: West Virginia Rebel

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I find it hilarious that the talking heads are loosing their shit over this.

A few years ago, during a cold snap The Russians contemplated shutting off GAS to parts of eastern Europe if they didnt pay the new rates the Russians wanted.

If Russia is such a dangerous foe, you know big bad russia staling a US election, then why put yourself on the hook by becoming dependent on their gas?IF Russia isnt a dangerous foe, then Why NATO> Why are you so afraid of the US pulling forces out?

Judge Dredd, Pro Se

97-2. Once again, you are either a tiny extremist viewpoint that is not shared by America as a whole, or you are in the majority and grossly misrepresented by your senate and congress. America is going to go on, business as usual. I’m starting to believe that trump’s aides go in before these summits and inform everyone in attendance that trump is going to give them a hard time because his hillbilly isis coalition adores these pedantic shit fits on the public stage, but to rest assured that it’s just for the ratings. Abandoning NATO might be a discussion if… Read more »

Zurvan

It is a FACT that Russia interfered in our election. And? ARI SHAPIRO, HOST: This is hardly the first time a country has tried to influence the outcome of another country’s election. The U.S. has done it, too, by one expert’s count, more than 80 times worldwide between 1946 and 2000. That expert is Dov Levin of Carnegie Mellon University. I asked him to tell me about one election where U.S. intervention likely made a difference in the outcome. DOV LEVIN: One example of that was our intervention in Serbia, Yugoslavia in the 2000 election there. Slobodan Milosevic was running… Read more »

Honestly, some people must have their pussy hats pulled down over their eyes if they don’t see how ludicrous this all is.

oh they see it, they just dont want to accept it

Section8

My question to the leftist folks here. If the Russians took over the US today, what would they take away from this nation that you don’t already despise or are willing to give up? I mean the essence of this nation, not some national park or land mass. The whole foundation of the government of this nation was created by evil white hillbillies, capitalism is evil (and white), Christians are evil (and mostly white). No, I’m not religious, but it is the largest religion here, and hardly the threat that ISIS is, but no matter it’s fun and stylish to… Read more »

Section8

To clarify. As for the hacking that was referring to the voting systems, not emails and such.

Judge Dredd, Pro Se

This is truly an alternate political universe we’re in, where you trumpaloa have gone on record saying that trump was “not a conservative, but favored by the Christian fundamentalists because he is a strongman.” What Russia would usher in, in an invasion would really favor the trump cucks political stances over anything the left has espoused as of late. You’d no longer have to gerrymander election districts, gone would be the separation of powers (something that trump can’t stop saying he despises), and there’d be no need for you to have nail biting and controversial stunts of power in between… Read more »

Zurvan

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I’ll give it a go: The whole foundation of the government of this nation was created by evil white hillbillies, That is not what I believe. Haven’t you seen Hamilton? 🙂 capitalism is evil (and white), That is not what I believe. I believe that capitalism has done more than anything to promote progression in the world. I just disagree with you on how capitalism should be managed. I believe that in a capitalistic society, it makes societal (and economic) sense to regulate in order to account for externalities, and to use some of the capital for upkeep of the… Read more »

Section8

“And if Putin’s goal is destabilisation of western powers (which seems to be the case) do you think that he’s not going to try and interfere in another election – and in favour of the status quo?” Of course he’s going to try to interfere so are plenty of other countries. Nothing new. Maybe new as far as interfering with new resources but that’s it. What I want to know is if Trump is a Russian plant don’t you think it’s a little worrisome that the FBI and CIA are basically keystone cops at this point? Biggest threat ever a… Read more »

CMNZ

The complete shitshow continues unabated.
https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/1017371232604442721?s=19

Zurvan

You can’t have it both ways – you can’t complain about CNN #fakenews and then dismiss what Russia did in their disinformation campaign. I don’t really agree with that Cress. There’s a world of difference between a MSM News organization, who claims to be impartial, repeatedly promoting stories that are one sided, and often false that later have to be retracted, and some idiot sharing a link to an article from “trumprox.com!” or “iamnotrussian.com” on Facebook even if the Russian government itself was behind those websites. It’s not like Russia took over Fox News, and started promoting fake pro-trump propaganda… Read more »

Zurvan

So close…

He’s almost as good as Baghdad Bob.

Zurvan

Rosenstein just now: No American citizen knowingly cooperated with the 12 Russians. The Russians also did not manage to affect the vote.

Man, Dredd just single handedly filled my tumbler.
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It was great reading all of the responses under Jake Tapper’s tweet about the indictment incoming. “Trump Jr. is gonna get his!” and “Finally! Trump will have to ask for asylum in Russia, that’s why they did it now!”

Err…

Of course he’s going to try to interfere so are plenty of other countries. Nothing new. Can you expand? I know the Shapiro interview, but what other countries have interfered to the same extent? If a foreign power is actively supporting a political party then you lose your sovereignty. Aside from the Trump issue, I’m puzzled as to why the people are so lax about foreign powers manipulating the political process. You’re fine with it because it’s your guy – but what about the time when it’s not? What I want to know is if Trump is a Russian plant… Read more »

Zurvan

Aside from the Trump issue, I’m puzzled as to why the people are so lax about foreign powers manipulating the political process. You’re fine with it because it’s your guy – but what about the time when it’s not? Hmmm. Circa 2011…China puts up fake websites, and fake advertisements in support of Obama, or negative of Romney. They make fake Facebook accounts, Twitter accounts, and post the crap all over creation. That barely raises a blip on my politic radar. I pretty much expect other countries to do it because we’ve done it. We’ve done it with open support, and… Read more »

Section8

“Do I need to pull out the liberals favourite chart about how long these investigations take?” Um no need. Here’s the deal, if Trump is a Russian plant the the CIA and FBI still can’t figure it out in what would be the tantamount to a coup on our government that is a HUGE problem. It is up there in the *worst* of possible problems. It’s not about your favorite charts. The point of having a defense and intelligence agencies is to deal with this type of threat immediately, basically taking action asap which would have stopped him from even… Read more »

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