No, the title doesn’t refer to the tardiness of this week’s open thread.  I had no time to prepare it on Saturday, since we were hosting a very special birthday party for one of my sisters.  And then, of course, I had to sleep off all the booze.

Instead, it’s about Kavanaugh and his long-delayed confirmation.  Because that’s all we’ve been talking about for weeks.  Here’s to the last Kavanaugh post!  I hope so, anyway.

In a way, it’s been the perfect story for everything surrounding American politics and culture since 2016.  You’ve had the fierce political division, the #MeToo Effect, the cloud of an FBI investigation against a public figure, the urgency of saving SCOTUS seats, and Trump himself.  If only Russian trolls had gotten more involved and we’d have it all.  They were too busy ruining the Star Wars franchise, or some shit.

Because of how perfectly the Kavanaugh nomination expressed what is at stake in the midterms, and how much it dominated news coverage, the American public is as engaged as it possibly could be with high voter enthusiasm.  In theory, I think a high degree of engagement is a good thing.  It’s good to see Americans being civic-minded.

Problem is that these aren’t largely well-informed or well-meaning people.  They’re each getting half the story from their preferred news outlets.  They’re enraged at each other, not simply the politicians they’re planning to vote against.  I’m not sure if we’ve ever seen such a thing as “rage voting” by both sides at once in a national election but this seems to be it.

For some time last year, I had believed that maybe it wouldn’t be the worst thing if the Democrats took over at least one house of Congress.  They would have had a stake in government again, which might lead them to start behaving rationally for the first time in two years.  They could also force Trump to compromise and this could bring about some positive bipartisan legislation, if both have the wisdom to try.

Post-Kavanaugh, I don’t feel that way anymore.  The behavior of the Senate Democrats and their activists over Kavanaugh and other events has driven that notion out of my head in terror.  I don’t think they want to work within our institutions anymore.  They’re willing to break them if it means “stopping Trump”, and they’ll personally ruin the life of anyone if it is useful to do so, no matter how unlikely it is to succeed.

From the perspective of national Democrats, I suppose what was done to Kavanaugh looked rational to them.  They demonstrated that they’ll fight and kept themselves from being primaried while also boosting fundraising.  However, they also needlessly agitated and animated GOP voters for the effort and guaranteed the demise several red-state Senate Democrats.  They’ve made it even worse by vowing to investigate and impeach Kavanaugh after they win the House back, further motivating Republicans to stop them.

It was needless because Kavanaugh’s confirmation shouldn’t have been a life-or-death issue for Democrats.  They were bound to lose since there is a Republican president and Senate majority, and the Democrats had already stupidly triggered the Senate Majority Leader to eliminate the filibuster during their last totally needless struggle against a Trump nominee.  They didn’t have any real options and could have simply voted “no” without making out the replacement of a Republican Justice with another Republican Justice to be the End of All Things.

Not only did they fail to keep the seat open, but they’ve assured that Senate Republicans will show no mercy to fill future seats with any conservative jurist they want and won’t be dissuaded.  There are no parliamentary tricks they can use nor are there any baseless smears that will work.

Democrats made a disagreement into a battle, disgracefully took it into the gutter, lost, and now have the shame of lying beaten in that gutter.  It was totally self-inflicted and pointless.  They keep repeating the same mistakes.  They get angry, wage unnecessary fights, lose, and then become angrier.  Thus repeating the cycle.

Winning the Senate majority isn’t happening for the Democrats, nor should it.  They don’t deserve it after what they’ve done to the Senate and Justice Kavanaugh.

PS: CMNZ reported that he was having some trouble posting comments in recent weeks.  If you’ve been experiencing any site problems, please contact me at ridiculousvikingstuff@protonmail.com and I’ll see if zoom or I can get it fixed.

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So women aren’t all in it together:
https://dailycaller.com/2018/10/07/liberals-attack-white-women-brett-kavanaugh/

Suddenly, it seems, gender does matter to the Left, when they’ve been trying to erase it in names, clothing, and bathroom distinctions. And just where are we headed if this is the new political normal? Fuming at each other in silence when we’re not online? Snubbing each other in the street? The next civil war won’t be televised-it’ll be tweeted.

CMNZ

So Collins decided to go with the woeful doppelganger option (Ford was assaulted but it was a case of mistaken identity). I guess she figured it was the least worst thing to pretend to believe. Pretty sure she actually believes it was Kavanaugh. So this Supreme Court Justice, who switches the balance of power for a decade or more (because he replaces the swing voting Justice) was nominated by a POTUS who came second in the vote (46%, more than 2% behind) and then confirmed by Senators who represent 44% of the population…..amazing really, and that’s without all the controversy… Read more »

CMNZ

https://twitter.com/bendreyfuss/status/1048983625927155712?s=19

“I was hit by a car”
“I believe you. Something happened”
“I was hit by a car”
“You have bruises. Internal injuries. You are compelling”
“Car hit me”
“But I can not say if a car hit you”
“It did”
“Maybe you fell out a tree”
“Car”
“Off a bike”
“A car hit—”
“Point is: I believe you”

Delurked

Why bother with all the pretence, that’s what puzzles me. Perhaps it would be less puzzling if you didn’t insist that it was pretense. Just because you personally believe Ford’s admittedly well-played act, it doesn’t mean everyone else does or should. There was simply no evidence to back up her story. Her own witnesses failed to back up her claims, which includes her lifelong friend Leland Keyser. And due process dictates that the burden of proof is on the accuser, not the accused. That’s just the way the system works, whether you can understand it or not.

Delurked

nominated by a POTUS who came second in the vote

He came in first — 304 to 227. If he came in second, he wouldn’t be President right now.

Delurked

This may be part of an image makeover, but it’s a good move on his part:
http://dailycaller.com/2018/10/08/brett-kavanaugh-black-women-law-clerks-ginsburg/

Meanwhile that didn’t take long:
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/dems-wage-war-on-kavanaugh-court-new-battles-over-legitimacy-impeachment-recusal

Sen. Cory Booker, D-N.J., said the option of impeaching Kavanaugh should not be ruled out and said he would support further investigation into the newest justice.

“If there is conclusory evidence that shows unequivocally that he lied to a Senate committee, that is a crime and he should be held accountable for those criminal acts,” Booker told Yahoo News on Sunday in Iowa, suggesting a probe into whether Kavanaugh perjured himself before the Senate.

And due process dictates that the burden of proof is on the accuser, not the accused. Nope. I know you’re tired of hearing this, but it’s not a trial, it’s an assessment of appropriateness for a role. Not whether or not he ‘did it’. That’s why the word ‘credible’ keeps being used. So you have a nominee for a lifetime appointment to a job that basically has the job description ‘be the most impartial, even handed, dispassionate person in the country’. And this person has been credibly accused of assault by multiple women, has multiple stories of drunken behaviour, including… Read more »

I want to get this 100% straight. You’re saying that if there is conclusory evidence, beyond any doubt that a Supreme Court Justice committed a crime – that Justice should get away with it, because you don’t like the Dems. That your partisanship is now stronger than your respect for the law, your sense of right and wrong, and your respect of personal responsibility. That the Trump administration has persuaded you that no one on the right can possibly have done anything wrong – even if there is unequivocal evidence – because the other side are engaged in a conspiracy.… Read more »

Section8

Don’t forget the double door escape hatch which somehow also works as a rental unit for interns. Personally I think some foreign leftists raped her and I can back it with the same amount of evidence that’s been provided so far. Why let these pervs post here? Do the right thing William and don’t be a woman hater. There are new rules to follow so why not start now?

I want people who disagree with me to post here. The reason is that I am going to give them a real discussion. Not a flamewar, not attacks, not hatred. This. And that’s what I’m trying to do. I’m trying o explain that opposing Kavanaugh isn’t about proving he assaulted Dr Ford – it’s about showing a pattern of behaviour and the temperament of a person who is seeking a lifetime appointment. In my opinion, the sheer number of factors – even if half of them are bullshit – point to someone who is entitled, partisan, temperamental, dishonest and disrespectful… Read more »

Delurked

I know you’re tired of hearing this, but it’s not a trial, it’s an assessment of appropriateness for a role. Congressional hearings and the presumption of innocence It’s true that such a hearing is not a criminal trial with a trial’s many built-in protections for the accused, including the presumption of innocence. But that’s actually irrelevant, because this was no ordinary congressional hearing for a nominee to the federal judiciary. Unlike Kavanaugh, a nominee does not ordinarily stand accused in such a proceeding, forced to listen to the charges against him uttered by a self-described victim, and left to be… Read more »

Delurked

And this person has been credibly accused of assault by multiple women

He certainly has been accused, but not “credibly” so. Not by a long shot.

I’m trying o explain that opposing Kavanaugh isn’t about proving he assaulted Dr Ford – it’s about showing a pattern of behaviour and the temperament of a person who is seeking a lifetime appointment.

If one are sincerely seeking a “pattern of behavior”, then one doesn’t place emphasis on uncorroborated hearsay claims about the accused’s high-school and college years while ignoring the public record of the accused’s exemplary adult record and behavior.

Delurked

Junk science.

I’m with William on this one. I won’t claim she “misremembered” anything. I’ll just say she lied through her teeth, even if it was a convincing act. But an act is all it was.

CMNZ

Wow, ok. Further down the rabbit hole we go. So what was her motivation? Her life was going so badly and she’s such a hardout and unhinged extreme partisan that she decided to throw it all away so a replacement conservative judge would be confirmed instead? No? Walk me through it….

Delurked

So what was her motivation? I obviously can’t prove anything, but stopping the Trump agenda at any cost might qualify. She did contribute to Bernie’s campaign, her lawyer contributed to the DNC and Hillary’s campaign, so their opposition to Trump is a matter of public record. But somehow I doubt you’d be receptive to anything I might suggest, regardless of any facts I point out. Her life was going so badly and she’s such a hardout and unhinged extreme partisan that she decided to throw it all away so a replacement conservative judge would be confirmed instead? “Throw it all… Read more »

So what was her motivation?

Prevent the nomination. id have to guess she didnt expect to be outed by Feinstine, so she just went with the flow. oh and that Go-Fund_me page of hers im sure helps her a bit, then it will be the awards, interviews, book deals.. ect ect.

Did anyone read Senator Collins’s statement?

I was listening to it on the radio show i was tuned into. i was impressed. i did not know she had that in her, i figured she would fold.

CMNZ

What, so this was all carefully planned when she told her therapist years ago, in anticipation that this would happen? She knew (helped organise?) a GoFundMe page to get rich, because it’s worth all the abuse and threats from the right? She wrote the letter asking for confidentiality knowing it would be leaked so she could then get all the attention but claim she never wanted it? Did she leak it? Do you think she even went to that school? Even lived in the same state? I know some people think it was Amy Schumer in disguise, do you guys… Read more »

CMNZ

Oh I see, she was a Bernie supporter, so she did this as revenge for….Hillary.
Of course.

Delurked

Oh I see

No, you don’t.

Look, you’re welcome to be as ridiculous as you want to be. Nothing we said is unreasonable, but everything in your response is. I said you wouldn’t be receptive and I was right.

Zurvan

Lovely thread. Definitely demonstrates the bias we all view political things through.

I just can’t seem to give any F’s. Just got back from my surgery. Ow.

CMNZ

Quality…. “I attended Holton-Arms, a girls school in the Washington area,” Louis-Dreyfus told the audience at Sunday’s award ceremony at the John F. Kennedy Center for the Performing Arts. “It has been in the news lately,” Louis-Dreyfus said of the school. “Back in fourth grade, as a matter of fact, I was in a very serious Holton-Arms production of ‘Serendipity,'” Louis-Dreyfus continued. “You know it’s funny with us Holton girls – I remember every detail of that play. I could swear to it under penalty of perjury,” said Louis-Dreyfus. “And yet, I don’t remember who drove me to the show… Read more »

Zurvan

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CMNZ

Oh that’s right, I forgot that the quality of advice on politics and ethics is determined by what jobs people have. Good reminder.

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