This week, we moved past the Kavanaugh confirmation and directly into the helpless rage left in its wake.  The result?  This bit of comedy gold.

A couple of thoughts on this issue of the progressive mob and its tactics….

First, I think it’s completely risible that Democrats who have used militaristic terms like “The Resistance” and quietly excused the violent behavior of Antifa and other elements for the past two years are now offended that we’ve deemed their hateful mobs to be “hateful mobs”.

The blatant insincerity of the suggestion that the imagery of destructive left-wing mob behavior is just a figment of the right’s imagination is infuriating.  Whether it’s the street violence of Antifa, the dangerous online threatening rhetoric, or the vows to hunt down and harass elected representatives and their families whenever they appear in public it is a fact that Democrats have embraced the behavior of the mob as a component of their own frustration with the political process.

No, I’m not saying that “all Democrats do this”.  What I am saying is that the silence of national Democratic leaders toward reigning in its crazed mob is conspicuous.  They refused to tamp down the rhetoric when a member of the Resistance tried to murder dozens of Republican congressmen.  They have nothing to say when conservative media sources are silenced by their friends in Silicon Valley.  They barely even want to acknowledge that Antifa even exists.  They applaud it when their mobs wage a smear campaign against a judge based on flimsy testimony.

So yeah, I think Cassidy’s response above was pretty funny.  Not only are we sick of the mob’s whining, but we’re also happy to see it called out for the stupid and counterproductive theatrics it represents.  He called it what it is and it’s a good response.  For now, anyway.  Until the inevitable bloodletting.

In lighter news, I had a more civil encounter on Saturday afternoon.  An older gentleman knocked on my door.  Usually, I treat with strangers pretty gruffly but this man had a kind face.  “I’m so-and-so, running on the Democratic ticket for some such office”, he said.

“Well, sir, I’m a Republican”, I replied evenly.  “But I wish you good luck!”

“A Republican!  How can that be?”, he asked with a smile.  “I hope you’re planning to vote this November?”

“Absolutely.  And I sincerely hope you do well, sir.”

He left.  It was an example of the American system working as its supposed to, really.  We will settle our differences at the ballot box.  No rancor, no fighting.  At that moment, we were basically neighbors with him wanting to represent our community and me saying I would probably support his opponent in doing the same.

“I’m surprised you were so nice to him after he was so disrespectful”, said my wife, who had been listening from upstairs.

“What?”

“When he said ‘how can you be a Republican?’  I thought that was rude.”

“No, not at all.  He was being humorous.  Besides, if you’d seen him, you would’ve thought less of me for being mean to him.  He was a kindly old man.”

He really was.  And I not only think less of anyone who would abuse him, but I think less of anyone who suggests that anyone should be mistreated for their political views.  But it’s all too common these days.

Sure, I could’ve remarked that he was an old white man who had no place in today’s Democratic Party that obviously hates people like him and wants him dead.  I could have asked how he can claim to be a pro-union Missouri Democrat who opposes Trump’s efforts to strengthen domestic manufacturing.  Maybe I could even have just told him I’m glad his party is out of power and hope it stays that way.

Honestly, though, I’m glad I didn’t.  Given that I don’t even know the name of his opponent in the election, he just might get my vote because he did nothing more than have a polite conversation with a political foe at a time when that seems impossible.

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CMNZ

This thread appears to be the (or at least ‘a’) counter-point….
https://twitter.com/DavidNeiwert/status/1049048025073512448?s=19

CMNZ

Politicians should never encourage or condone violence and yes, they should speak out against it.
Of course, Trump not only condoned violence throughout his campaign, but actively encouraged it. He actively took the position as a mob leader.
Was that another one of those things that was fine because it ‘worked’?

Hey Dems, if you want a revolution, here’s a good place to start:
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/lissandravilla/young-house-democrats-leadership-struggle

Meanwhile, what has been going on in Portland has been a sorry example of a lack of leadership on the Mayor’s part, and what happens when two extreme opposites collide. Is it too much to ask for both sides to wipe each other out?

blameme

Of course it’s too much. The left has righteous violence on their side. The right is the only dangerous menace to society because…Trump.

CMNZ

The right is the only dangerous menace to society because…Trump.

Much of it pre-dates Trump, but he’s certainly done a lot to actively promote and encourage it. He explicitly courted those who seek it (in addition to those who would like their political opponents locked up).

On the ‘well-established recipe’:
https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2018/10/15/patriot-prayer-again-brings-violence-portland-flash-march-downtown-rounding-out-weekend-far

CMNZ

Demanding that Hillary be locked up is precisely according to law and order. It’s the very opposite of the rule of the mob. Nonsense, acting in accordance with law and order you’d have a fair trial, and if the person was found guilty and the crime was serious enough, it might involve jail time. ‘Lock her up, lock her up’ on the campaign trail is PRECISELY inviting and inciting the rule of the mob. You’re helping make my point, CM. What’s happening in Portland is because the mayor has refused to address the left-wing mobs seizing the streets. I guess… Read more »

blameme

Lock her up isn’t even close to the same quasi endorsement of Antifa, or reps telling mobs to force people from restaurants and other public places etc. Rand Paul has already been attacked. One sitting congressman has been shot. More will happen if they don’t dial it back. The tea party was derided as a mob and didn’t ever come close to these tactics en masse. It’s going to get dangerous and the liberal politicians are actively engaging and supporting this. The blood will be on their hands. Not that they give a damn. I remember when people could debate… Read more »

CMNZ

Best to be ready to fight. I hate that. But I won’t hesitate to protect my family and I believe it’s getting to that point. What you just wrote there is exactly what Neiwart discusses in that tweet thread. Lock her up isn’t even close to the same quasi endorsement of Antifa, or reps telling mobs to force people from restaurants and other public places etc. Can you provide some evidence of what the reps have specifically said? Rand Paul has already been attacked. One sitting congressman has been shot. More will happen if they don’t dial it back. Is… Read more »

CMNZ

At no time has any Republican suggested anyone should try to take Hillary Clinton into custody nor am I aware of anyone trying. Yer man Donald literally campaigned on her going to prison, to the point where he incited mob-chants about it. That actually happened. Democrats such as Maxine Waters have expressly suggested that Republicans should be mobbed whenever they appear in public. And this has actually happened. That’s true, she did – specifically about the kids at the border being separated from their parents (not an excuse). Why were the police mostly unseen? Why do Democratic mayors let left-wing… Read more »

blameme

Provide evidence of what Congress peeps have said? Are you kidding? Read the damn paper or the internet. These discussions are pointless. You yourself provided evidence of Waters telling people to hound republicans over the boarder stuff. So if you want evidence, read your own post. This is why I don’t post here or pretty much anywhere else. There is no comparison right now to what the left is doing. None. Where are the liberals preaching peace and love and condemning this rhetoric? They’ve gone mad and it will bite them in the ass. I pray no one gets hurt.… Read more »

Zurvan

Can you provide some evidence of what the reps have specifically said? I should know better than to engage because fuck all I know you’ll just keep rolling like the evidence you asked for wasn’t provided because you really don’t give two shits about this discussion, but here goes. Holder disagreeing with Michelle Obama, saying when Republicans “go low” that we should “kick em”. Maxine Waters encouraging the mob to harass any members of Trump’s administration when seen out in public. Hillary Clinton calling for an end to civility. Meanwhile in 2016, you had Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio (when he… Read more »

Delurked

acting in accordance with law and order you’d have a fair trial You didn’t seem at all concerned about that when you were pronouncing Kavanaugh guilty of attempted rape. “Damn punk kids and their attempted rapes”, I believe you wrote. Thing is, Comey did pretty much state flat-out that Hillary was guilty of having classified info on unsecured servers. We do have hard evidence to support the allegation. At least we did, no telling if it’s all been scrubbed by now. Comey didn’t recommend pressing charges because, well, the Clintons. He let her off the hook over some nonsense about… Read more »

Zurvan

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CMNZ

Trump is now applauding an assault on a journalist. But we’re so far down the rabbit hole it’s meaningless.

CMNZ

Just the most recent example of him making it clear that he likes violence (so long as it assists him). But then all authoritarians do.

Delurked

He was making a joke about something that happened months ago. He wasn’t actively calling out his followers to do violence for political gain, like Holder and Waters did. “Authoritarian”, my ass. Look to the left if you want examples of actual authoritarians. Antifa for example.

And if you seriously think making a joke is the same as actively calling for violence and mayhem and incivility, then you are indeed deep down a rabbit hole.

Delurked

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/authoritarian

1 : of, relating to, or favoring blind submission to authority

2 : of, relating to, or favoring a concentration of power in a leader or an elite not constitutionally responsible to the people

Since you clearly have no idea what the word means. Making a joke is not “authoritarian”. Inciting people to bully other people, just because they don’t agree with you, is.

CMNZ

Omfg I never claimed making a joke makes someone an authoritarian.
I am claiming that you’ve become detached from reality though. That much is clear.
Who knew gaslighting could be so easy and successful on such a scale in modern times.

CMNZ

MSNBC’s “Morning Joe” on Tuesday played a montage of clips of the many times President Trump has directly called for violence from his supporters as a new debate over civility has dominated the political conversation. The series of clips includes Trump telling supporters he’d like to punch a protester in the face and wondering if the “Second Amendment people” could stop then-Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton. “Hillary Clinton wants to abolish the Second Amendment. By the way, if she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do. Although the Second Amendment people, maybe there is,” Trump said at a… Read more »

CMNZ

Again, the man is a fan of the use of violence, he knows it plays really well to his supporters. And not just against those he disagrees with politically. “Please don’t be too nice” to suspects, Trump tells police Trump seemed to encourage police to be more violent in handling potential offenders during a speech to law enforcement officers in July 2017. The speech was largely focused on the threat posed by the gang MS-13, but it appeared that Trump was speaking in general when he commented on police interactions with suspected criminals. He described the precautions typically taken by… Read more »

CMNZ

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-45949737 New York police say they have safely destroyed a suspected letter bomb found at the home of billionaire businessman George Soros in New York state . US-based right-wing conspiracy theorists and websites have accused Mr Soros of secretly engineering a range of recent events in US and global politics. They have alleged he was involved in recruiting crowds for the anti-Trump Women’s March and even organising violence in Charlottesville to undermine the country’s political right wing. Mr Soros has also become a political target worldwide for nationalists and populists, who paint him as a master manipulator of democracy. THE… Read more »

Delurked

Trump also encouraged his supporters at another event to “knock the crap” out of any protesters causing trouble.

This is why your comparison fails. It’s one thing to incite your followers to retaliate against troublemakers. It’s another thing entirely to incite your followers to be troublemakers.

If you stubbornly refuse to get this, then that just strengthens my position that left-wing opinions have little to no value, and your claim that I am “detached from reality” become a badge of honor for me.

CMNZ

That’s hilariously and pathetically woeful, but thanks for the laugh. The ‘badge of honor’ thing is particularly instructive – it helps explains how you got yourself into this awful situation.

CMNZ

This from a senior Republican:

Most of what Mr. Trump says these days is literally made up. He’s trying to construct a world of make believe and fairly tales, of myth and fiction, of illusion and hallucination. It’s a world increasingly detached from reality. The rest of us must refuse to live within the lie.

https://twitter.com/Peter_Wehner/status/1054556168406863873?s=19

Zurvan

Ohhh. A “senior” republican. Does that mean he qualifies for the 15% discount at some restaurants?

CMNZ

Only if he eats before 5.30pm.
It means he served three Republican administrations. Presumably he can be dismissed as a member of the ‘deep state’ and/or ‘the swamp’? Is that how it works?

So how does Obama, Clinton, Holder, Brennan, and Soros being sent explosive devices fit with this ‘the left are now just a violent mob’ theory? Which insanity are we expected to believe to excuse it? Or do you just pretend it never happened because it’s inconvenient?
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-explosive-devices-20181024-story.html

Delurked

thanks for the laugh If that is how you respond to being slapped upside the head with reality, then you’re welcome, I guess. It looks like you forgot what the point is. You have been desperately telling us that Trump is the same as the left, which includes Maxine Waters, Eric Holder, Hillary, BLM, Antifa, and so on. You know, people who tell other people to get in people’s faces. People who actually do get in people’s faces. Run them out of restaurants. Harass them at their homes. Riot. Set fires. Destroy people’s property. Beat up innocent people. So Trump… Read more »

Delurked

It means he served three Republican administrations.

Therefore his word is gospel. Is that how it works?

Delurked

It means he served three Republican administrations.

Just to be clear, yes, there are Never-Trumpers in the GOP. It isn’t news, and it doesn’t really mean anything.

CMNZ

I guess at least the bombs weren’t rude to anyone in a restaurant

CMNZ

“There are some very fine mail bombs on both sides”

Zurvan

Presumably he can be dismissed as a member of the ‘deep state’ and/or ‘the swamp’? Is that how it works?

It means he can be dismissed, because honestly, who gives a shit what his opinion is other than a disingenuous online troll trying to score points against Trump?

Delurked

So how does Obama, Clinton, Holder, Brennan, and Soros being sent explosive devices fit with this ‘the left are now just a violent mob’ theory?

Which Republican leaders called for their followers to send mail bombs again? I forget. On the other hand, Republican leaders are condemning these acts.

And where is the conservative counterpart to Antifa? BLM? Which conservative mobs are torching cars and businesses?

But yeah, the Republicans and conservatives are just like the Democrats and the left. You have convinced me. I have seen the light.

Zurvan

The bombs need to and are being condemned by both sides. As if that even needs to be said.

Meanwhile, the NYT published a fantasy piece about Russians and the Secret Service assassinating Trump. Civility in deed.

CMNZ

If none of you can see how Trump is an integral part of all this, because it’s all just the left, then y’all royally fucked.

Delurked

Well of course Trump is an integral part of “all of this”, because he wasn’t supposed to win. But he did, in spite of all the “experts” telling us he had literally no chance.

And ever since he proved the “experts” wrong, the left have simply gone completely off the rails, completely bat shit insane with Trump-hate. And yeah, Trump does egg them on with his triggering tweets. And the left just fall for it every single time.

Delurked

A few questions that the media won’t ask or answer.

https://youtu.be/fHhZFOAeohg

Zurvan

How long until somebody floats on the left that the bombs were sent by Trump?

CMNZ

Maybe you guys need to stop smoking the Alex Jones crack pipe for a while. And stop praying at the Hannity alter.

CMNZ

A Tampa resident who said he encountered Sayoc in a hotel parking lot in Miami last May told HuffPost that the suspect was quirky — given the stickers on his van — but didn’t seem “violent” during their hourlong conversation. “He wasn’t talking violent or anything like that but basically talked about fake news, Obama, Hillary Clinton, stuff like that. He said his family didn’t agree with him, that he only associated with other Trump supporters,” said the man, who asked to be identified only by his first name, Korey. When Korey, a 40-year-old black Trump supporter, saw the van… Read more »

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